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sugar
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| sugar wrote: | | a. the desktop PC is dying. What do I need by desktop for that I cant already do on my touchpad or phone? |
Play non-shitty games
Web browsing without squinting/pinching/otherflaffingabout
Watch HD content at HD resolutions with sound quality which wont make your ears bleed
Host your own MUA
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:31 am Post subject: |
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| AidanJT wrote: | | szczerb wrote: | | It'd be very sad if most people actually saw the future of linux desktop in a single DE. Any single DE. |
I wouldn't mind if said single DE was actually good. |
i wouldn't mind a sort of "default" linux desktop. Standardization is a huge problem with the linux desktop.
But I'd hate for it to be one that made interoperability for other DE/WM impossible, effectively killing anything but your one and only choice. |
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sugar
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| AidanJT wrote: | | sugar wrote: | | a. the desktop PC is dying. What do I need by desktop for that I cant already do on my touchpad or phone? |
Play non-shitty games
Web browsing without squinting/pinching/otherflaffingabout
Watch HD content at HD resolutions with sound quality which wont make your ears bleed
Host your own MUA
Development
Type
Etc., etc. |
The average user doesn't care about any of this.
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dE_logics
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| AidanJT wrote: | | sugar wrote: | | a. the desktop PC is dying. What do I need by desktop for that I cant already do on my touchpad or phone? |
Play non-shitty games
Web browsing without squinting/pinching/otherflaffingabout
Watch HD content at HD resolutions with sound quality which wont make your ears bleed
Host your own MUA
Development
Type
Etc., etc. |
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A smartphone to me is at most a third computing device... a temporary solution when you don't have a PC around.
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| Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2011 2:04 am Post subject: |
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| cach0rr0 wrote: | | i wouldn't mind a sort of "default" linux desktop. Standardization is a huge problem with the linux desktop. |
I think standardization needs to happen "underneath" first. With that standard, it'd be easier to support from a commercial standpoint.
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The absolute show stopper with W8 is that, the app center will work only with Metro apps, which itself are a complete failure.
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| dE_logics wrote: | | AidanJT wrote: | | sugar wrote: | | a. the desktop PC is dying. What do I need by desktop for that I cant already do on my touchpad or phone? |
Play non-shitty games
Web browsing without squinting/pinching/otherflaffingabout
Watch HD content at HD resolutions with sound quality which wont make your ears bleed
Host your own MUA
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A smartphone to me is at most a third computing device... a temporary solution when you don't have a PC around. |
I wonder how do I write/edit documents on a phone? I have troubles typing sms and get annoyed quickly 
Yes, I have an Android phone and here is what I use it for:
make calls
send sms
take pictures
clock
calendar
alarm
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| dE_logics wrote: | | The absolute show stopper with W8 is that, the app center will work only with Metro apps, which itself are a complete failure. |
IE & document support are all I'm looking for. Well, assuming the hardware is good & battery life is competitive.
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| notageek wrote: | | Halp! New version of Windows, will kill Linux! |
As usual!  |
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 3:15 am Post subject: |
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| aidanjt wrote: | | sugar wrote: | | a. the desktop PC is dying. What do I need by desktop for that I cant already do on my touchpad or phone? |
Play non-shitty games
Web browsing without squinting/pinching/otherflaffingabout
Watch HD content at HD resolutions with sound quality which wont make your ears bleed
Host your own MUA
Development
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Amen
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| Posted: Wed May 23, 2012 3:57 am Post subject: |
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| jdmulloy wrote: | | The bad news is we will never kill Windows. The good news is that Microsoft can't ever kill Linux. Linux will only die if ALL the developers decide they don't want to work on it anymore. Linux isn't like a commercially developed OS, like say BeOS or webOS, which will die if the company behind it does, or if the company behind it decides to murder it. |
I (and I guess a majority of people on the globe using computers in any sense) have no ideological/political/religious incentive to kill windows. Not until everything that is being done in windows environment can be done in some other environment, and even then there are issues with habit, conformity, investment in knowledge and education (you can laugh at microsoft certificates, but it is an industry that people have lived off/by for almost two decades), and so on and so on.
So windows is not going anywhere. Fashionable people and metrosexuals can use apple, but who is linux for? It is for server market (due to cost/licensing advantage) but not for the weak of heart (due to the lack of in-house knowledge and support infrastructure). Then we have education, academia, science labs, and your common geeks.
So linux community has to get a grip on ideological issues, and get down to earth and focus on making what is already good alive and usable. Meaning desktop framework that is designed for serious use, and not for pretending that is "as cool as iPad". Meaning major DE players (KDE and Gnome) have to get a grip, and stop producing silly crap that people install, run for 5 minutes then run back to fluxbox/xfce. |
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Political motivation has driven the world. When there's political motivation and movements on small things like gay marriage and stuff like slut walk, and even on declaring Pluto as not a planet (which're relevant to less than 1% of the people), why can't political motivation be on major stuff like opensource (which's about every computer user in the world), ultimately it's about the future of the software industry; it's similar to caring about the environment. People who know support opensource like people in this forum; but it's a shame on part of people who know about it but still go for monopolies.
What really matters is if people understand the fact. People don't understand what's source code, how will they understand opensource, GPL, GNU etc... Had they understood these, Microsoft would've been gone long ago or should've modified their ways.
Apparently things can't be fixed unless universities stop talking like they're owned by Microsoft. They should teach about Opensource first, and it's advantages over Microsoft, Autodesk or Adobe, then allow the students to choose.
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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| dE_logics wrote: | | Political motivation has driven the world. When there's political motivation and movements on small things like gay marriage and stuff like slut walk, and even on declaring Pluto as not a planet (which're relevant to less than 1% of the people), why can't political motivation be on major stuff like opensource (which's about every computer user in the world), ultimately it's about the future of the software industry; it's similar to caring about the environment. People who know support opensource like people in this forum; but it's a shame on part of people who know about it but still go for monopolies. |
Save the sermon for someone else, please, if I have a choice between A and B, where A = B, then I support the open source alternative. I even support it if open source is less, but I find it satisfying. However, for the whole number of purposes that is not the case.
| dE_logics wrote: | | Apparently things can't be fixed unless universities stop talking like they're owned by Microsoft. They should teach about Opensource first, and it's advantages over Microsoft, Autodesk or Adobe, then allow the students to choose. |
And vice versa. As much OSS crowd demands that the "uninformed public" be open to suggestion and alternatives, it also has to open its eyes to disadvantages of using linux in certain cases. However that is "unpatriotic", and the common reaction to that suggestion is to put fingers in ears and yell na-na-na-na.
Also BREAD has driven the world. |
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| Posted: Sat May 26, 2012 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Prenj wrote: | | Save the sermon for someone else, please, if I have a choice between A and B, where A = B, then I support the open source alternative. I even support it if open source is less, but I find it satisfying. However, for the whole number of purposes that is not the case. |
Yes, it shouldn't be that the opensource alternative is so bad that your job wont get done but we should try to use maximum FOSS, that helps the migration process.
| Quote: | | And vice versa. As much OSS crowd demands that the "uninformed public" be open to suggestion and alternatives, it also has to open its eyes to disadvantages of using linux in certain cases. However that is "unpatriotic", and the common reaction to that suggestion is to put fingers in ears and yell na-na-na-na. |
I have to admit, this's a problem with FOSS projects. Actually, this's a problem with a few projects like Gnome.
| Quote: | | Also BREAD has driven the world. |
Opensource gives people more bread. It breaks accumulation of money in the huge pockets of businessmen and gives small companies and individuals advantage without paying taxes to them.
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What the hell is this? Why would they do this? Are they trying to drive people away from their platform?
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| Shadow Skill wrote: | | What the hell is this? Why would they do this? Are they trying to drive people away from their platform? |
Well maybe they forgot that they rose to prominence in 90's by having good development toolkits. It's gonna be interesting if anyone jumps on the occasion and profits from this. |
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| Prenj wrote: | | Shadow Skill wrote: | | What the hell is this? Why would they do this? Are they trying to drive people away from their platform? |
Well maybe they forgot that they rose to prominence in 90's by having good development toolkits. It's gonna be interesting if anyone jumps on the occasion and profits from this. |
How would they do this though? It is really freelance professionals and hobbyists that are hit hard by this stupidity. Educational institutions are pretty much a lock in because of things like Dreamspark. Although it is possible that the professors will just say fuck it and switch to Java.
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| Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| Shadow Skill wrote: | | Prenj wrote: | | Shadow Skill wrote: | | What the hell is this? Why would they do this? Are they trying to drive people away from their platform? |
Well maybe they forgot that they rose to prominence in 90's by having good development toolkits. It's gonna be interesting if anyone jumps on the occasion and profits from this. |
How would they do this though? It is really freelance professionals and hobbyists that are hit hard by this stupidity. Educational institutions are pretty much a lock in because of things like Dreamspark. Although it is possible that the professors will just say fuck it and switch to Java. |
It's a good thing. Now they'd know the monopoly of Microsoft and it's consequences.
A Microsoft professional's skill are all in the hands of the BOD, and what the BOD cares about is money...
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