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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:18 am    Post subject: Where did OpenOffice go? Reply with quote

So i've been using Gentoo for the best part of 5-7 years now, and i've never seen something this strange.
OpenOffice built fine (eventually) last year or the year before when i installed my laptop.
Ever since then, i've had the occasional build failure, normally when I update a random minor package and revdep-rebuild it wants OOo to rebuild, it fails halfway through but still rebuilds far enough to make it work again.

Until yesterday, that is.
I went through all my USE flags the other day and rejigged them all, after apparently some things became compulsory and enabled themselves (i always had '-vorbis', now apparently it's not optional because my system won't build without it, what's the point of it being optional then?).

Anyway, so doing my emerge -uDNva world, revdep-rebuild, emerge -ev world etc overnight, OpenOffice always failed to build.
The output from revdep-rebuild was along the lines of 'no ebuilds to satisfy openoffice'.
just doing an 'emerge -va openoffice' gives:
Code:
!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "openoffice" have been masked.
!!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:
- app-office/openoffice-3.2.1-r1::gentoo (masked by: package.mask)


Whyso masked? Hardmasked at that? i've checked the online database, nothing in there to suggest why it's been hardmasked.
the changelog gives no hints either. it's all 'fixed this, fixed that, stable on ppc, stable on x86, etc'. the openoffice-bin is also hardmasked, the latest entry just says 'stable on amd64'.

Also, grep -i openoffice /usr/portage/profiles/package.mask -B 4 -A 4 gives just a very cryptic:
Code:

# Tomáš Chvátal <scarabeus@gentoo.org> (27 Jul 2011)
# Old replaced packages. Will be removed in 30 days.
# app-office/openoffice -> app-office/libreoffice
# app-office/openoffice-bin -> app-office/libreoffice-bin
# app-text/wpd2sxw -> app-text/wpd2odt
app-office/openoffice
app-office/openoffice-bin
app-text/wpd2sxw


which doesn't actually say anything useful. 'Old replaced packages'? since when is OpenOffice old and replaced?
Their website doesn't say anything about being 'old and replaced'.

'eselect news list' gives nothing new since the baselayout and kdeprefix removal in May.

So, in short, what's going on?

mod edit by i92guboj: just corrected the title for proper English and added some code tags. Since I linked this thread to many duplicates lately, I want it to be at least moderately readable.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess is openoffice will be dropped in favour of libreoffice.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's all when and good replacing an entire program with a library file, what about the rest of it?

as soon as i'm done downloading the openoffice-bin i've unmasked, i'm set for the next month, then what?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not every package starting with 'lib' is a library. In this case 'libre' means free in various other languages.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:00 am    Post subject: Re: Where went OpenOffice? Reply with quote

hmmm, so the entire OpenOffice is being replaced with this 'libreoffice' thing then?

Dr Croubie wrote:
the changelog gives no hints either.
Their website doesn't say anything about being 'old and replaced'.
'eselect news list' gives nothing new since the baselayout and kdeprefix removal in May.


Openoffice is probably one of the most popular desktop products (i daresay without it, or something similar, thre wouldn't be nearly as many win-converts as there are), I know I can't live without it.
Surely a change this drastic would be even slightly announced somewhere?
or even auto-directed like mozilla-firefox -> 'plain jane' firefox?
who dropped the ball on this one?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oracle, actually. LibreOffice is essentially the next version of OpenOffice. Briefly, the developers didn't like the way Oracle (who acquired OpenOffice when they acquired Sun Microsystems) was treating them and decided to fork the project.

For more details, well, here, let me Google that for you. :wink:

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right now, libreoffice is mostly openoffice plus a set of patches that Gentoo already used anyway. So, if you have used openoffice from portage, then you basically have already been using libreoffice for some time now. In any case, it's the dev's decission. They are the ones that put the time and effort, and they can decide what packages they want to work on. It's easy to understand why someone wouldn't want to duplicate the effort and time to maintain two packages that are basically the same thing, at least for now. Time will tell.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: Where went OpenOffice? Reply with quote

Dr Croubie wrote:
Surely a change this drastic would be even slightly announced somewhere?

Haven't you read the news? ;)

Since OpenOffice in Gentoo really was Go-Oo already, renaming that stuff would have been a fine solution. Anyway, most people seem to have got around the change as there really weren't many threads, at least not that I remember.

EDIT: Oh, that is actually happening now for arch users? :oops: I thought OpenOffice was obsolete a long time ago...
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359861#c14
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LibreOffice is slowly replacing OpenOffice; Fedora, Ubuntu, and Arch Linux have already switched in their newest releases.

Fortunately, LibreOffice is compatible with OpenOffice so you won't need to convert your files or use a different format.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i just put in portage.unmask the openoffice-bin and merged.
seems to be working like old openoffice only.
i will wait and see what is missing in it.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why wouldn't you use libreoffice-bin?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

padoor wrote:
i just put in portage.unmask the openoffice-bin and merged.
seems to be working like old openoffice only.
i will wait and see what is missing in it.


Assuming you truly have a reason to do this, remember that in about three weeks you will have to move the OO ebuilds to your overlay, since they are being removed from portage, as the mask message told you.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i will try libreoffice-bin and unmerge openoffice-bin
thanks
i thought because of libreoffice it is being removed :?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OpenOffice is being removed because (1) Oracle is being a pain and (2) as a result, OpenOffice is practically dead and (3) as a result of those two factors, the fork LibreOffice (which most of the former OO developers now stand by) has gained the community's favour.

For the end user, there's no change, apart from the new logo and the fact that LO has less bugs and more features than OO.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh yes all functions are present and more i think
thanks :)
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great to know that libreoffice is not dependent on a company agenda!
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