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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:18 pm    Post subject: Who's Down for Jefferson State? Reply with quote

For those who don't know, Northern California and Southern Oregon almost split from their respective states to form Jefferson State. At one point, the freeway was even blocked off and barricaded by guys with guns. Then four days later, Pearl Harbor happened and they decided, "Hell with it..."

Given the recent incompetence of the Democratic Party in California, I believe this move needs to be looked at again. Although I think guns won't be necessary this time around.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course I am down with it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In principle I would support it, but it is clearly unconstitutional. Plus, I would still be living in Oregon, with the Jefferson border about three miles away from my house. NotQuiteSane lists his location as Klamath Falls, Jefferson.

wsw, are you in Northern Cali?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In principle I would support it, but it is clearly unconstitutional. Plus, I would still be living in Oregon, with the Jefferson border about three miles away from my house. NotQuiteSane lists his location as Klamath Falls, Jefferson.

wsw, are you in Northern Cali?

Just a bit north of Sacramento.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not take a step further and create a new nation rather than the 51st state. 8)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Their motto could be "Live Freer or Die Harder!"
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been thinking about this again, and it really seems like things need to be set in motion.

1. Begin petitioning signers for a California ballot measure that, if passed, would require the California legislature to vote on whether to allow the selected counties to secede from California.
2. Begin negotiations with various state legislatures as to what the Jefferson counties would continue to provide in terms of water and other resources, in return for a favorable vote.
3. Begin lobbying Congress at the federal level for a favorable vote.

Something similar is going to need to be done on the Oregon side, but I don't know what their process is. Ultimately, no counties may branch off and form their own state unless the existing state legislatures agree, along with the U.S. Congress.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly, you're probably better off trying to work with an existing larger movement such as the Free State Project (get involved / FAQ).

I check on them periodically, and it seems their growth has slowed. If they ever reach their goal of 20k, I'd ping them for a job and consider moving.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
Something similar is going to need to be done on the Oregon side, but I don't know what their process is. Ultimately, no counties may branch off and form their own state unless the existing state legislatures agree, along with the U.S. Congress.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seeing as how that's mainly San Francisco's and LA's debt, I don't think that will be a problem.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This seems like an excellent pitch for a reality series. Could run for decades.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pjp wrote:
Their motto could be "Live Freer or Die Harder!"


speaking of the good people in new hampshire, shouldn't it be "live freely or die" instead of "live free or die"?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This seems like an excellent pitch for a reality series. Could run for decades.

I've got a better premise. The country breaks up and dozens of city-states form, with various types of government, tending toward slightly more feudalistic arrangements.

Wait a minute. Somebody already did that a few years ago. There was a TV series. What was it called?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
sikpuppy wrote:
This seems like an excellent pitch for a reality series. Could run for decades.

I've got a better premise. The country breaks up and dozens of city-states form, with various types of government, tending toward slightly more feudalistic arrangements.

Wait a minute. Somebody already did that a few years ago. There was a TV series. What was it called?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

juniper wrote:
pjp wrote:
Their motto could be "Live Freer or Die Harder!"


speaking of the good people in new hampshire, shouldn't it be "live freely or die" instead of "live free or die"?

It's a historical motto created from and for common usage. In proper modern usage, "freely" is correct, but it used to be more acceptable to use adjectives as adverbs (e.g., "ride hard" vs. "ride hardly"). It's still quite accepted in common usage and goes without notice (e.g., do you say "drive fast" or "drive fastly"?).

Still, I myself mock my sister and her three-toothed redneck husband for saying "Drive safe!", and make a point of saying "Drive safely!" to them (knowing they will probably never catch on). :lol:
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
juniper wrote:
pjp wrote:
Their motto could be "Live Freer or Die Harder!"


speaking of the good people in new hampshire, shouldn't it be "live freely or die" instead of "live free or die"?

It's a historical motto created from and for common usage. In proper modern usage, "freely" is correct, but it used to be more acceptable to use adjectives as adverbs (e.g., "ride hard" vs. "ride hardly"). It's still quite accepted in common usage and goes without notice (e.g., do you say "drive fast" or "drive fastly"?).

Still, I myself mock my sister and her three-toothed redneck husband for saying "Drive safe!", and make a point of saying "Drive safely!" to them (knowing they will probably never catch on). :lol:


fastly isn't a word. quickly perhaps?

it's a problem. My child is picking up all sorts of bad habits. she is getting a pretty thick london accent, with all the associated grammar issues. "I done it" is common and "buh - er" for "butter".
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 17, 2013 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BoneKracker wrote:
sikpuppy wrote:
This seems like an excellent pitch for a reality series. Could run for decades.

I've got a better premise. The country breaks up and dozens of city-states form, with various types of government, tending toward slightly more feudalistic arrangements.

Wait a minute. Somebody already did that a few years ago. There was a TV series. What was it called?

That is called Europe.
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