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PostPosted: Sat Oct 18, 2014 10:53 pm    Post subject: Problems burning DVD+R DL (dual layer) with cdrecord and k3b Reply with quote

I have been able to burn CD-ROM discs with my Thinkpad T500, but thus far no DVDs, even though the device supports a wide range of media.

My specific problem today: I have a batch of dual-layer DVD+R DL discs. I have a garden-variety DVD ISO image (2.7 GB) that I want to burn, but it fails before starting with an error.

Here's the log output from k3b:
Code:
Devices
-----------------------
MATSHITA DVD-RAM UJ862A SB04 (/dev/sr0, CD-R, CD-RW, CD-ROM, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD-R doppelschichtig, DVD+R, DVD+RW, DVD+R doppelschichtig) [DVD-ROM, DVD-R sequenziell, Zweischichtige DVD-R sequenziell, Zweischicht-DVD-R-Sprung, DVD-RAM, DVD-RW Eingeschränktes Überbrennen, DVD-RW sequenziell, DVD+RW, DVD+R, Zweischichtige DVD+R, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW] [SAO, TAO, Eingeschränktes Überschreiben, Sprung zwischen DVD-Schichten] [%7]
TSSTcorp CDDVDW SE-S204N TS00 (/dev/sr1, CD-R, CD-RW, CD-ROM, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD-R doppelschichtig, DVD+R, DVD+RW, DVD+R doppelschichtig) [DVD-ROM, DVD-R sequenziell, Zweischichtige DVD-R sequenziell, Zweischicht-DVD-R-Sprung, DVD-RAM, DVD-RW Eingeschränktes Überbrennen, DVD-RW sequenziell, DVD+RW, DVD+R, Zweischichtige DVD+R, CD-ROM, CD-R, CD-RW] [SAO, TAO, RAW, SAO/R96P, SAO/R96R, RAW/R16, RAW/R96P, RAW/R96R, Eingeschränktes Überschreiben, Sprung zwischen DVD-Schichten] [%7]

System
-----------------------
K3b Version: 2.0.2
KDE Version: 4.12.5
QT Version:  4.8.5
Kernel:      3.12.13-gentoo

Used versions
-----------------------
cdrecord: 3.1a16

cdrecord
-----------------------
scsidev: '/dev/sr1'
devname: '/dev/sr1'
scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2
Warning: Open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported.
Linux sg driver version: 3.5.27
SCSI buffer size: 64512
cdrecord: Warning: Cannot read drive buffer.
cdrecord: Warning: The DMA speed test has been skipped.
Cdrecord-ProDVD-ProBD-Clone 3.01a16 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2013 Joerg Schilling
TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM
Using libscg version 'schily-0.9'.
Driveropts: 'burnfree'
atapi: 1
Device type    : Removable CD-ROM
Version        : 0
Response Format: 2
Capabilities   :
Vendor_info    : 'TSSTcorp'
Identifikation : 'CDDVDW SE-S204N '
Revision       : 'TS00'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW/DVD-RAM.
Current: DVD+R/DL
Profile: DVD-R/DL sequential recording
Profile: DVD-R/DL layer jump recording
Profile: DVD+R/DL (current)
Profile: DVD+R
Profile: DVD+RW
Profile: DVD-RW sequential recording
Profile: DVD-RW restricted overwrite
Profile: DVD-RAM
Profile: DVD-R sequential recording
Profile: DVD-ROM
Profile: CD-RW
Profile: CD-R
Profile: CD-ROM
Profile: Removable Disk
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc-3 DVD+R driver (mmc_dvdplusr).
Driver flags   : NO-CD DVD MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE
Supported modes: PACKET SAO LAYER_JUMP
Drive buf size : 1409024 = 1376 KB
FIFO size      : 4194304 = 4096 KB
Track 01: data  2785 MB       
Total size:     2785 MB = 1426383 sectors
Current Secsize: 2048
Blocks total: 4173824 Blocks current: 4173824 Blocks remaining: 2747441
Reducing transfer size from 64512 to 32768 bytes.
Starting to write CD/DVD/BD at speed 8 in real SAO mode for single session.
Last chance to quit, starting real write in 3 seconds.
   2 seconds.
   1 seconds.
   0 seconds. Operation starts.
Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... cdrecord: Layer 0 size 2086912 is bigger than expected disk size 1426384.
cdrecord: Use single layer medium.
cdrecord: Cannot open next track.
input buffer ready.
Writing  time:    0.027s
Average write speed 999,0x.
Fixating...
cdrecord: Eingabe-/Ausgabefehler. close track/session: scsi sendcmd: no error
CDB:  5B 01 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 30 06 00 00
Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x30 Qual 0x06 (cannot format medium - incompatible medium) Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
cmd finished after 0.002s timeout 1000s
cdrecord: Eingabe-/Ausgabefehler. close track/session: scsi sendcmd: no error
CDB:  5B 01 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 30 06 00 00
Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x30 Qual 0x06 (cannot format medium - incompatible medium) Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
cmd finished after 0.002s timeout 1000s
=== last message repeated 2 times. ===
Trouble closing the last session
Fixating time:    0.011s
cdrecord: fifo had 128 puts and 0 gets.
cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 0 times full, min fill was 100%.
BURN-Free was not used.

cdrecord command:
-----------------------
/usr/bin/cdrecord -v gracetime=2 dev=/dev/sr1 speed=8 -sao driveropts=burnfree -data -tsize=1426383s -

I've tried burning with k3b, brasero, and cdrecord at the command line, and nothing has worked.

The error message is cryptic:
Code:
Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... cdrecord: Layer 0 size 2086912 is bigger than expected disk size 1426384.
cdrecord: Use single layer medium.
cdrecord: Cannot open next track.

What's it saying here? That the data to be burned is so small, that I should use a single-layer disc? Why should it matter?

I'm not sure what this message is supposed to mean, though it comes after the write fails, so it may not be relevant:
Code:
CDB:  5B 01 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 30 06 00 00
Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x30 Qual 0x06 (cannot format medium - incompatible medium) Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)
cmd finished after 0.002s timeout 1000s

At first, I thought I had a coaster, but when I query the disc with dvd+rw-mediainfo, it tells me the disc is still blank:
Code:
# dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/sr0
INQUIRY:                [MATSHITA][DVD-RAM UJ862A  ][SB04]
GET [CURRENT] CONFIGURATION:
 Mounted Media:         2Bh, DVD+R Double Layer
 Media ID:              MBIPG101/R10
 Current Write Speed:   4.0x1385=5540KB/s
 Write Speed #0:        4.0x1385=5540KB/s
 Write Speed #1:        2.4x1385=3324KB/s
 Speed Descriptor#0:    01/4173823 R@4.0x1385=5540KB/s W@4.0x1385=5540KB/s
 Speed Descriptor#1:    01/4173823 R@2.4x1385=3324KB/s W@2.4x1385=3324KB/s
READ DVD STRUCTURE[#0h]:
 Media Book Type:       00h, DVD-ROM book [revision 0]
 Legacy lead-out at:    2086912*2KB=4273995776
DVD+R DOUBLE LAYER BOUNDARY INFORMATION:
 L0 Data Zone Capacity: 2086912*2KB, can still be set
READ DISC INFORMATION:
 Disc status:           blank
 Number of Sessions:    1
 State of Last Session: empty
 "Next" Track:          1
 Number of Tracks:      1
READ TRACK INFORMATION[#1]:
 Track State:           blank
 Track Start Address:   0*2KB
 Next Writable Address: 0*2KB
 Free Blocks:           4173824*2KB
 Track Size:            4173824*2KB
 ROM Compatibility LBA: 265696
READ CAPACITY:          0*2048=0

I thought maybe it was due to the switches k3b is passing to cdrecord, so I tried it on the command line. This was the output:
Code:
cdrecord -v speed=4 dev=1,0,0 -driveropts=burnfree  -dao 677183.iso     
Cdrecord-ProDVD-ProBD-Clone 3.01a25 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2014 Joerg Schilling
TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM
scsidev: '1,0,0'
scsibus: 1 target: 0 lun: 0
Linux sg driver version: 3.5.34
Using libscg version 'schily-0.9'.
Driveropts: 'burnfree'
SCSI buffer size: 64512
atapi: 1
Device type    : Removable CD-ROM
Version        : 5
Response Format: 2
Capabilities   :
Vendor_info    : 'MATSHITA'
Identifikation : 'DVD-RAM UJ862A  '
Revision       : 'SB04'
Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-R/DVD-RW/DVD-RAM.
Current: DVD+R/DL
Profile: DVD-RAM
Profile: DVD+R/DL (current)
Profile: DVD+R
Profile: DVD+RW
Profile: DVD-R/DL layer jump recording
Profile: DVD-R/DL sequential recording
Profile: DVD-RW restricted overwrite
Profile: DVD-RW sequential recording
Profile: DVD-R sequential recording
Profile: DVD-ROM
Profile: CD-RW
Profile: CD-R
Profile: CD-ROM
Profile: Removable Disk
Using generic SCSI-3/mmc-3 DVD+R driver (mmc_dvdplusr).
Driver flags   : NO-CD DVD MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE
Supported modes: PACKET SAO
Drive buf size : 1572864 = 1536 KB
cdrecord: Warning: Cannot read drive buffer.
cdrecord: Warning: The DMA speed test has been skipped.
FIFO size      : 4194304 = 4096 KB
Track 01: data  2785 MB       
Total size:     2785 MB = 1426383 sectors
Current Secsize: 2048
Blocks total: 4173824 Blocks current: 4173824 Blocks remaining: 2747441
Reducing transfer size from 64512 to 32768 bytes.
Starting to write CD/DVD/BD at speed 4 in real SAO mode for single session.
Last chance to quit, starting real write    0 seconds. Operation starts.
Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready.
cdrecord: Layer 0 size 2086912 is bigger than expected disk size 1426384.
cdrecord: Use single layer medium.
cdrecord: Cannot open next track.
Writing  time:    0.011s (00:00:00.011)
Average write speed 999,0x.
Fixating...
Fixating time:    0.002s (00:00:00.002)
BURN-Free was not used.
cdrecord: fifo had 128 puts and 0 gets.
cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 0 times full, min fill was 100%.

Is it the medium? When I try to do it in brasero, it recognizes the blank disc and lets me select it as a target, until I choose the source ISO. At that point it says something like "replace the CD/DVD with a supported CD/DVD". So does this mean that I can't burn standard ISOs to dual-layer discs? Are these only for video? :(


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

there are several problems to see.

Firstly cdrecord patronizes you not to waste DVD+R DL where
a single layer DVD would suffice:
Code:
cdrecord: Layer 0 size 2086912 is bigger than expected disk size 1426384.
cdrecord: Use single layer medium.


Then it seems clueless about how to proceed further, as there
is only one track source provided:
Code:
cdrecord: Cannot open next track.


With the K3B run you also get an SCSI error reported by cdrecord:
Code:
cdrecord: Eingabe-/Ausgabefehler. close track/session: scsi sendcmd: no error
CDB:  5B 01 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 30 06 00 00
Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x30 Qual 0x06 (cannot format medium - incompatible medium) Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)

where we can guess whether the drive refuses on the medium
because it contains no data when cdrecord tries to close it.
It is somewhat riddling why your command line run of cdrecord
reported no SCSI error.

Quote:
Is it the medium?

Your drive promises to support that type of medium:
Code:
Profile: DVD+R/DL (current)


Quote:
does this mean that I can't burn standard ISOs to dual-layer discs?
Are these only for video?

No. All DVD types are suitable for ISOs or other data formats.
Other than with CD, there is no special audio or video sector
type. You need an UDF fileystem with special layout for video
DVDs which shall play on an entertainment DVD player. But the
burner drive should accept any kind of data stream as long as
it fits on the medium.

You may try what happens if you use a program based on libburn.
E.g. the Xfburn GUI program or one of these command lines
Code:
xorriso -as cdrecord -v speed=4 dev=/dev/sr1 -driveropts=burnfree -dao 677183.iso

Code:
cdrskin -v speed=4 dev=1,0,0 -driveropts=burnfree -dao 677183.iso


Be aware that DVD+R DL is about the most unreliable DVD type
when it comes to reading your data. Especially drives, which
are not new any more, will probably burn without protest but
fail to properly read the result.

Have a nice day :)

Thomas
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Thomas,

Thanks for your insight! My comments and further questions follow.

scdbackup wrote:
Hi,

there are several problems to see.

Firstly cdrecord patronizes you not to waste DVD+R DL where
a single layer DVD would suffice:
Code:
cdrecord: Layer 0 size 2086912 is bigger than expected disk size 1426384.
cdrecord: Use single layer medium.


Still, that doesn't look like a fatal error; it does attempt to write in the next step.

Quote:
Then it seems clueless about how to proceed further, as there
is only one track source provided:
Code:
cdrecord: Cannot open next track.


This is why I thought maybe it will only write to a dual-layer disc if the image is large enough to exceed the capacity of layer 0. If true, it would be hirnverbrannt.

Quote:

With the K3B run you also get an SCSI error reported by cdrecord:
Code:
cdrecord: Eingabe-/Ausgabefehler. close track/session: scsi sendcmd: no error
CDB:  5B 01 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
Sense Bytes: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 30 06 00 00
Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0
Sense Code: 0x30 Qual 0x06 (cannot format medium - incompatible medium) Fru 0x0
Sense flags: Blk 0 (not valid)


where we can guess whether the drive refuses on the medium
because it contains no data when cdrecord tries to close it.
It is somewhat riddling why your command line run of cdrecord
reported no SCSI error.

Quote:
Is it the medium?

Your drive promises to support that type of medium:
Code:
Profile: DVD+R/DL (current)


That's what I thought!

Quote:
You may try what happens if you use a program based on libburn.
E.g. the Xfburn GUI program or one of these command lines
Code:
xorriso -as cdrecord -v speed=4 dev=/dev/sr1 -driveropts=burnfree -dao 677183.iso

Code:
cdrskin -v speed=4 dev=1,0,0 -driveropts=burnfree -dao 677183.iso


I have tried brasero, it's supposed to be based on libburn. It behaves even more strangely. When I put the blank disc in the drive, it detects it as

Code:
Empty DVD+R (dual-layer) medium - 8.5 GB of free space


The minute I select the 2.9 GB ISO image in question, the indication for the DVD changes to:
Code:
Empty DVD+R (dual-layer) medium - 5.6 GB of free space

(8.5 - 2.9 = 5.6)
and a yellow flag appears below with the text
Code:
Please replace the disc with a supported CD or DVD.


So it likes the disc until the point where I select the ISO image to burn, then suddenly it's no good anymore. That's the next thing that leads me to suspect that the ISO image is too small to be burned to this type of disc.

Quote:

Be aware that DVD+R DL is about the most unreliable DVD type
when it comes to reading your data. Especially drives, which
are not new any more, will probably burn without protest but
fail to properly read the result.

Have a nice day :)

Thomas


This is consistent with my experience. I have had good success with DVD-R discs in the past. Recently, I've noticed that stores hardly carry them anymore :x Given no alternative, I've bought DVD+R discs because my hardware claims to support them, but I have yet to successfully burn even one of those, let alone a dual-layer disc :(

Quote:

You may try what happens if you use a program based on libburn.
E.g. the Xfburn GUI program or one of these command lines

Code:
xorriso -as cdrecord -v speed=4 dev=/dev/sr1 -driveropts=burnfree -dao 677183.iso


Code:
cdrskin -v speed=4 dev=1,0,0 -driveropts=burnfree -dao 677183.iso



Xorriso doesn't seem to be in the main tree. Is it part of some other package, or do I need an overlay?

Thanks

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Quote:

If true, it would be hirnverbrannt.

Exaktlich, it is. Especially since DVD+R DL serve best as
drip mat. The fewer data you put on them, the better is your
chance to have them readable.

Not only cdrecord (resp. its fork wodim) but also growisofs
show an unhealthy admiration for this type. growisofs exits
after saying:
Code:

:-( more than 50%% of space will be *wasted*!
    use single layer media for this recording


Quote:

I have tried brasero, it's supposed to be based on libburn.
Code:
 
Please replace the disc with a supported CD or DVD.


Depending on its configuration and runtime settings,
Brasero may use cdrecord for CD and growisofs for DVD,
or libburn for both families.

Xfburn is guaranteed to use only libburn for CD, DVD, and BD.

Quote:

So it likes the disc until the point where I select the ISO image to burn, then suddenly it's no good anymore.

Obviously a mislead behavior of the higher software layers.

Quote:

I've bought DVD+R discs because my hardware claims to support them, but I have yet to successfully burn even one of those,

Single layer DVD+R are supposed to be ok.
What exactly are your problems with them ?

Quote:

Xorriso doesn't seem to be in the main tree. Is it part of some other package, or do I need an overlay?

Try package name "libisoburn". This here looks good:
http://packages.gentoo.org/package/dev-libs/libisoburn
(I have few experience with Gentoo . My sport is burning
and ISO 9660.)

Or get the GNU xorriso source tarball
http://www.gnu.org/software/xorriso/xorriso-1.3.8.tar.gz
and do
Code:

tar xzf xorriso-1.3.8.tar.gz
cd xorriso-1.3.8
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
xorriso/xorriso -version
echo Absolutadresse: $(pwd)/xorriso/xorriso

Then use it by its lengthy absolut address as told by
the last command. E.g.
Code:

/home/stephen/xorriso-1.3.8/xorriso/xorriso -as cdrecord -v speed=4 dev=/dev/sr1 -dao 677183.iso

(You may of course become superuser and install it by
Code:
make install

but that might interfere with Gentoo's package management.
Without installation it stays nicely contained in the
./xorriso-1.3.8 directory tree. Easy to remove.)

Have a nice day :)

Thomas
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Thomas,

Thanks for all your help so far!

Quote:

Xfburn is guaranteed to use only libburn for CD, DVD, and BD.


I've now tried it with Xfburn as well, and get this error message, again before the write can even begin:

Code:
Failed: Cannot reserve track of 2921562112 bytes


Unfortunately there is no detailed error log.

Quote:
Quote:

I've bought DVD+R discs because my hardware claims to support them, but I have yet to successfully burn even one of those,

Single layer DVD+R are supposed to be ok.
What exactly are your problems with them ?


It has been a few months since I last tried burning a DVD+R, and I don't remember what was in the logs. (Unfortunately I don't have a DVD+R disc that I could use to test this.) But the problem I had was very similar -- the write would fail right at the start, and try to fixate. When I checked the disc in another machine, it was blank. I was able to write to it in that other machine. In all the failed cases I was writing with k3b (which uses cdrtools in the back-end).

Quote:

Quote:

Xorriso doesn't seem to be in the main tree. Is it part of some other package, or do I need an overlay?

Try package name "libisoburn". This here looks good:
http://packages.gentoo.org/package/dev-libs/libisoburn
(I have few experience with Gentoo . My sport is burning
and ISO 9660.)


This looks like it just creates an iso9660 filesystem for use with libburn.

Quote:

Or get the GNU xorriso source tarball
http://www.gnu.org/software/xorriso/xorriso-1.3.8.tar.gz
and do
Code:

tar xzf xorriso-1.3.8.tar.gz
cd xorriso-1.3.8
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
xorriso/xorriso -version
echo Absolutadresse: $(pwd)/xorriso/xorriso

Then use it by its lengthy absolut address as told by
the last command. E.g.
Code:

/home/stephen/xorriso-1.3.8/xorriso/xorriso -as cdrecord -v speed=4 dev=/dev/sr1 -dao 677183.iso

(You may of course become superuser and install it by
Code:
make install

but that might interfere with Gentoo's package management.
Without installation it stays nicely contained in the
./xorriso-1.3.8 directory tree. Easy to remove.)


Thanks for this. I put all my non-Gentoo installs in /usr/local -- I'll try installing xorriso next.

Stephen
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Quote:

This looks like it just creates an iso9660 filesystem for use with libburn.


If the following code in libisoburn-1.3.8.ebuild means that
it installs what the source tarball's "make install" installs,
then you get a /usr_or_something/bin/xorriso which is quite
small and dynamically links to libburn, libisofs, and libisoburn.
Code:

src_install() {
        default
        ...
        dodoc xorriso/{changelog.txt,README_gnu_xorriso}
        ...
}


GNU xorriso on the other hand statically links up the same
source code in a single binary. This gives a large
self-contained binary which links dynamically only to libc,
libpthread, and optionally some others if their development
header files were present at compile time.
So it works with no installation.

In either variant:

If xorriso reports a failure and you still have a blank medium,
then redo the failed run with additional cdrecord options
-V and -vvv for maximum verbosity. Catch the lenthy result in a
log file:
Code:

xorriso -as cdrecord -V -vvv ...cdrecord.options.of.failed.run... 2>&1 | tee -i /tmp/xorriso.log

This will report the SCSI commands by which libburn operates
the drive (SATA, PATA, USB: all is a vehicle for SCSI) and
the replies from the drive, including error codes. Then we
will see what goes wrong.

In this case send the log file /tmp/xorriso.log to scdbackup@gmx.net
I will then post a summary and diagnosis here.

Have a nice day :)

Thomas
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

@penetrode,

I hate to say it but Linux support for burning optical media is years behind the 3rd party Windows utilities. I generally just use imgburn which runs fine under Wine. It has excellent support for burning dual-layer DVD-R/+R. Ho hum... :cry:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Stephen (penetrode) meanwhile sent me the messages of
a failed attempt to write the medium via xorriso.
The drive reported this error to libburn:
Code:

libburn : FAILURE : SCSI error condition on command 53h RESERVE TRACK: [3 73 03] Medium error. Power calibration area error.


The Power Calibration Area on DVD discs is used automatically
by the drive for small burn experiments in order to find laser
settings which promise good readability.
The drive gave up on the medium after trying to burn to that
area.

I advised Stephen to try other media, and in worst case an
different drive.

Have a nice day :)

Thomas
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