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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:25 am    Post subject: Antivirus for Vista? Reply with quote

Please no flames, this is a serious post.

My new girlfriend has a Vista laptop. I have no idea because I don't do Windows.

She has some sort of Micro$oft-spawned antivirus on there, and every 3 days she's complaining that it's glacial again. I run that virus scanner, it finds a couple bad files. I remove them. It gets fast. 3 days later, same thing. I run trendmicro's housecall (which is all I really know about Windows) and it finds a couple more files than the Micro$oft one does.

Now she wants me to install some other antivirus package, and I don't know what to pick. I don't think she'll buy into Linux yet, we've only known each other a few weeks. If it were me I would stick on something easy like Ubuntu, or at least Windows 7.

Anyone run Windows and have a good recommendation for malware protection?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Avira Free is the way to go
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moved from Unsupported Software to Off the Wall.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AVG free seems to work well.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My coworker got interested in VBScript and kept asking me for help. I know some but not much, so I helped him with a few rudimentary scripts and pointed him to online tutorials for help.

He was writing a script to get the AD login information of his account.

A few minutes later he comes to me all excited and tells me that he found a Windows command that does exactly the same thing his script does. So when he types 'username' in the command prompt, he gets the same result, therefore 'username' must be a Windows command.

I pointed out that his script is named username.vbs and he was like "What? Windows did not even ask if I wanted to execute this and simply executed this?"

That's Windows for you.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
My coworker got interested in VBScript and kept asking me for help. I know some but not much, so I helped him with a few rudimentary scripts and pointed him to online tutorials for help.

He was writing a script to get the AD login information of his account.

A few minutes later he comes to me all excited and tells me that he found a Windows command that does exactly the same thing his script does. So when he types 'username' in the command prompt, he gets the same result, therefore 'username' must be a Windows command.

I pointed out that his script is named username.vbs and he was like "What? Windows did not even ask if I wanted to execute this and simply executed this?"

That's Windows for you.

Because you definitely can't run BASH scripts from the terminal.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

warrens wrote:
AVG free seems to work well.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
notageek wrote:
My coworker got interested in VBScript and kept asking me for help. I know some but not much, so I helped him with a few rudimentary scripts and pointed him to online tutorials for help.

He was writing a script to get the AD login information of his account.

A few minutes later he comes to me all excited and tells me that he found a Windows command that does exactly the same thing his script does. So when he types 'username' in the command prompt, he gets the same result, therefore 'username' must be a Windows command.

I pointed out that his script is named username.vbs and he was like "What? Windows did not even ask if I wanted to execute this and simply executed this?"

That's Windows for you.

Because you definitely can't run BASH scripts from the terminal.
Not until you do chmod maybe chown and then just merely typing its name won't do.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

notageek wrote:
wswartzendruber wrote:
notageek wrote:
My coworker got interested in VBScript and kept asking me for help. I know some but not much, so I helped him with a few rudimentary scripts and pointed him to online tutorials for help.

He was writing a script to get the AD login information of his account.

A few minutes later he comes to me all excited and tells me that he found a Windows command that does exactly the same thing his script does. So when he types 'username' in the command prompt, he gets the same result, therefore 'username' must be a Windows command.

I pointed out that his script is named username.vbs and he was like "What? Windows did not even ask if I wanted to execute this and simply executed this?"

That's Windows for you.

Because you definitely can't run BASH scripts from the terminal.
Not until you do chmod maybe chown and then just merely typing its name won't do.

Good point.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And for antivirus I go with Microsoft Security Essentials.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
And for antivirus I go with Microsoft Security Essentials.
Someone in sugar's(?) thread pointed out it was poorly rated now.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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wswartzendruber wrote:
And for antivirus I go with Microsoft Security Essentials.
Someone in sugar's(?) thread pointed out it was poorly rated now.

Good friend of mine still uses it at work and swears by it. :?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no idea how good it is. I'm not familiar with the site sugar referenced, but it would seem quantifiable if sites compare them against various threats.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used MS' anti-spyware back in 2005. At-first I was impressed, it was fast, good interface and worked. Later when I had the opportunity to use another product I realized MS' thing actually treated only the symptoms not the disease.

I don't recall most of the details, it was back in 2005.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
pjp wrote:
wswartzendruber wrote:
And for antivirus I go with Microsoft Security Essentials.
Someone in sugar's(?) thread pointed out it was poorly rated now.

Good friend of mine still uses it at work and swears by it. :?

I use it for my windows desktop and laptop.. Hard to say how good it really is but I haven't had a single issue with it so far.

If you don't want to go with that I'd say go with Eset's nod32, that's what I used to use. Not sure if it's still as good though but I liked it back when I used it.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice guys. Got a bit of research to do now. :)
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

++ for MS Security Essentials.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is AV really necessary? They don't even catch the new viruses until it's too late. They just end up eating resources. Just remove admin rights from her main account and create a separate admin user. If the machine has already been infected it can no longer be trusted and needs to be reformatted if possible.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is AV really necessary? They don't even catch the new viruses until it's too late. They just end up eating resources. Just remove admin rights from her main account and create a separate admin user. If the machine has already been infected it can no longer be trusted and needs to be reformatted if possible.

Have you used Windows at some point in the last 10 years? ACLs may as well not exist, because an assload of applications assume you'll be in the administrators group, and UAC still gets frequently tripped by every day applications which trains in 'while(dialog) clickok;' muscle memory. Besides, MSSE isn't hard on resources at all, and it's free, and it doesn't bug you unless something is actually wrong.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is AV really necessary? They don't even catch the new viruses until it's too late. They just end up eating resources. Just remove admin rights from her main account and create a separate admin user. If the machine has already been infected it can no longer be trusted and needs to be reformatted if possible.

Have you used Windows at some point in the last 10 years? ACLs may as well not exist, because an assload of applications assume you'll be in the administrators group, and UAC still gets frequently tripped by every day applications which trains in 'while(dialog) clickok;' muscle memory. Besides, MSSE isn't hard on resources at all, and it's free, and it doesn't bug you unless something is actually wrong.

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Can't say I even notice it running so it's really not that heavy on the system anyway. I know people like to bash on Microsoft but since I'm running their OS it just feels convenient to run their AV as well, they both get updates through Windows Update and so on.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
pjp wrote:
wswartzendruber wrote:
And for antivirus I go with Microsoft Security Essentials.
Someone in sugar's(?) thread pointed out it was poorly rated now.

Good friend of mine still uses it at work and swears by it. :?
The software was shown to be worse at detecting and fixing problems than lots of the other applications available. So regardless of whether your friend uses it, an independent testing organization showed why you should not.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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wswartzendruber wrote:
pjp wrote:
wswartzendruber wrote:
And for antivirus I go with Microsoft Security Essentials.
Someone in sugar's(?) thread pointed out it was poorly rated now.

Good friend of mine still uses it at work and swears by it. :?
The software was shown to be worse at detecting and fixing problems than lots of the other applications available. So regardless of whether your friend uses it, an independent testing organization showed why you should not.

And he says his workstations' stability got far better when he started using it.
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And he says his workstations' stability got far better when he started using it.
What difference does that make?

Independent testing >>> claims by one guy.

Also, it's worth noting that the application *used* to get high accolades and had independent testing showing it to be one of the top contenders. So perhaps your friend started using it at that time, noticed things were better and continued to now, all the while not realizing that the application no longer is one of th best.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2011 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re: Is antivirus necessary. For me, no. My sole Windows experience in the last decade is as a virtual machine on which I do testing of software I write. I never hook up email, never go to some other site, never do any of the things which allow viruses on there, and if it were to happen I just delete that VM and go back to the most recent backup. For my girlfriend, obviously yes. She has a problem with viruses/trojans/whatever is in there bringing her laptop to its knees every few days.

Re: arguments. Please stop. I understand that everyone's needs and preferences are different. I'm looking for viable alternatives to look at, and I will keep in mind your reasons as I look. There's no reason to fight about it.

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Re: Is antivirus necessary. For me, no. My sole Windows experience in the last decade is as a virtual machine on which I do testing of software I write. I never hook up email, never go to some other site, never do any of the things which allow viruses on there, and if it were to happen I just delete that VM and go back to the most recent backup. For my girlfriend, obviously yes. She has a problem with viruses/trojans/whatever is in there bringing her laptop to its knees every few days.

Re: arguments. Please stop. I understand that everyone's needs and preferences are different. I'm looking for viable alternatives to look at, and I will keep in mind your reasons as I look. There's no reason to fight about it.

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