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Who will win?
Sebastian Vettel
35%
 35%  [ 7 ]
Fernando Alonso
15%
 15%  [ 3 ]
Mark Webber
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Lewis Hamilton
20%
 20%  [ 4 ]
Jenson Button
15%
 15%  [ 3 ]
Nico Rosberg
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Michael Schumacher
15%
 15%  [ 3 ]
Felipe Massa
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Vitaly Petrov
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
Nick Neidfeld
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:35 pm    Post subject: [F1] Who will stop Sebastian Vettel? Reply with quote

This thread is a follow on from last years.

There are a lot of changes in the sport this year.

A new tyre supplier, who is creating tyres that will wear much faster,
107% rule is back in force,
The f-duct has been banned
Teams will only be entitled to a set number of times where they can work on the car between midnight and 6am,
An adjustable rear wing will be allowed (but at only certain sections of the track, and only if following another driver)
An Indian GP has been added to the calendar, bringing the number of races to 19, although it's unclear if there will be a race in Bahrain this year.

After one race, the current odds at my local TAB is as follows

1 Sebastian Vettel 1.67
3 Lewis Hamilton 4.50
2 Fernando Alonso 6.00
4 Mark Webber 10.00
5 Jenson Button 10.00
6 Nico Rosberg 40.00
7 Michael Schumacher 40.00
9 Felipe Massa 50.00
14 Vitaly Petrov 50.00
25 Nick Heidfeld 100.00
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So the FIA haven't introduced an 'everyone must drive at the same speed' or the all important 'no overtaking' rule yet.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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So the FIA haven't introduced an 'everyone must drive at the same speed' or the all important 'no overtaking' rule yet.


The opposite in fact.

Brenie is a supporter of introducing artificial rain (i.e. track side sprinkler systems) in order to liven things up a bit.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't you confuse rain with riot?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting race. Kers and the DRS systems were unreliable for many teams, so it became apparent how much of an effect they actually have.

Also, I bet Petrov has a sore back after that.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent drives from both Button and Webber, both having problems but clawing it back. Hamilton was unlucky with Alonso being a retard behind him.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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McLaren's Lewis Hamilton and Ferrari's Fernando Alonso have been hit with 20-second penalties following a collision in Sunday's Malaysian Grand Prix.

The verdict means that Hamilton drops from seventh to eighth place, although Alonso retains sixth.

Hamilton's penalty was for making more than one change of direction while defending in the build-up to the clash. Alonso's was for causing a collision.

Alonso clipped the McLaren when trying to pass Hamilton after Turn Three.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Pirelli tyres seem to favour Button's driving style while Hamilton beats the crap out of them, losing the race in the end.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you have to see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uE67arNYhM
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Pirelli tyres seem to favour Button's driving style while Hamilton beats the crap out of them, losing the race in the end.
not the softs though. Everyone loves the softs but Button seems to drive way better on the hard compound.

Which one is the "option" this year?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

charly wrote:
genstorm wrote:
The Pirelli tyres seem to favour Button's driving style while Hamilton beats the crap out of them, losing the race in the end.
not the softs though. Everyone loves the softs but Button seems to drive way better on the hard compound.

Which one is the "option" this year?


The softer tire is usually referred to as the "option", but in a dry race drivers must use both compounds.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How good is that new kid...? Di Resta is going to be a star in the future
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

holy shit what a race!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How good is that new kid...? Di Resta is going to be a star in the future

hmm. he was involved in two accidents. he should learn2drive
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How good is that new kid...? Di Resta is going to be a star in the future

hmm. he was involved in two accidents. he should learn2drive
I think you're thinking of Perez

Btw, that was one of the best races ever. I feel sorry for Button but Hamilton just showed that he's the best overtaker in the field. In fact I can't think of a time Hamilton passed someone in the DRS area
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

true, sry.

Anyway, big race for Webber ;)
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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true, sry.

Anyway, big race for Webber ;)
Yeah, Webber proved again that he can match anyone. He's so undervalued it's untrue. If he had a car that *worked* he'd be up there with Vettel every day
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

genstorm wrote:
true, sry.

Anyway, big race for Webber ;)


Webber made an interesting comment after the race concerning the new tires. He jested that they should sit out qualifying in future to keep all the sets of soft tire fresh for the race because they are such a huge advantage on track. Hamilton also deliberately saved a set of softs for the race which would have ordinarily been used for setting a qualifying lap. Interesting strategy decisions to come on the tires I think! Anyway a very good race for the spectator.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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genstorm wrote:
true, sry.

Anyway, big race for Webber ;)


Webber made an interesting comment after the race concerning the new tires. He jested that they should sit out qualifying in future to keep all the sets of soft tire fresh for the race because they are such a huge advantage on track. Hamilton also deliberately saved a set of softs for the race which would have ordinarily been used for setting a qualifying lap. Interesting strategy decisions to come on the tires I think! Anyway a very good race for the spectator.
What are the chances we see the middle teams only using hard tyres in qualifying? I dont think the top 4 teams can because getting on pole is still important but anyone below Mercedes/Ferrari can
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They need to reintroduce refueling. The current "no refuel" stance is ridiculous. Sure the tires degrade more now but we need to see more team strategy.

Even better would be to stop this over-regulation shit that they have been doing for the last 20 years and let the teams invent their own stuff without constantly looking back at FIA and asking "is it allowed?" The only regulation should be team budget limit so that teams with more money don't have that advantage.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They need to reintroduce refueling. The current "no refuel" stance is ridiculous. Sure the tires degrade more now but we need to see more team strategy.

Even better would be to stop this over-regulation shit that they have been doing for the last 20 years and let the teams invent their own stuff without constantly looking back at FIA and asking "is it allowed?" The only regulation should be team budget limit so that teams with more money don't have that advantage.


why should the teams have to make people unemployed just to meet the salary cap? that seems awfully heavy handed.
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They need to reintroduce refueling. The current "no refuel" stance is ridiculous. Sure the tires degrade more now but we need to see more team strategy.

Even better would be to stop this over-regulation shit that they have been doing for the last 20 years and let the teams invent their own stuff without constantly looking back at FIA and asking "is it allowed?" The only regulation should be team budget limit so that teams with more money don't have that advantage.
A quote from Malaysia by Eddie Jordan on the BBC:
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Why bother with all the problems associated with the use and distribution of high octane fuel when you have tyres that force you to stop just as much or even more?


He's right though, they've managed to simulate the same with the added bonus of increasing the cars unpredictability and decreasing the danger of fuel being around things that are 1000c
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They need to reintroduce refueling. The current "no refuel" stance is ridiculous. Sure the tires degrade more now but we need to see more team strategy.

Even better would be to stop this over-regulation shit that they have been doing for the last 20 years and let the teams invent their own stuff without constantly looking back at FIA and asking "is it allowed?" The only regulation should be team budget limit so that teams with more money don't have that advantage.
A quote from Malaysia by Eddie Jordan on the BBC:
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Why bother with all the problems associated with the use and distribution of high octane fuel when you have tyres that force you to stop just as much or even more?


He's right though, they've managed to simulate the same with the added bonus of increasing the cars unpredictability and decreasing the danger of fuel being around things that are 1000c


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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why should the teams have to make people unemployed just to meet the salary cap? that seems awfully heavy handed.


Because it's about competition, not employment. There is not much competition when the top 3 teams have 500 mil/year budget and others only 100 mil.
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He's right though, they've managed to simulate the same with the added bonus of increasing the cars unpredictability and decreasing the danger of fuel being around things that are 1000c


I've been watching f1 since around 1992. The worst (entertainment wise) years were from around 2003 till last year. The last 2 years were so bad I actually stopped watching after the first 5 laps. I like seeing team strategy, qualifying on different fuels, different tires, fuck ups in pit stops. What I don't like seeing is team's no longer racing, just cruising when they start running out of fuel which has been the case numerous times since they reintroduced no-fuel policy.
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