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| Quote: | There is a reason its not called "Adobe PDF reader" but "Acrobat reader" or "Adobe reader". It is a monster of a system. reading PDFs is one of many functions. For a project i had to read into adobe acrobat and heck its a real monster: it has
a complete mail server, document lifecycle management system, DRM client, full fledged document tracking system, form capabilities, statistics for your docs (imagine sending a survey and tracking the collected data), video AND audio playing capabilities (yes you can embed audio and video in pdf) as well as capabilites for other formats (such as displaying CAD(!) data in its own 3Dviewer).
all in all the full acrobat SDK is like 500 MB and its manual a couple tousand pages long.
merely displaying PDFs is one function out of like 100. To you as the consumer its the bait... but the full fledged system behind it is what Adobe sells to its corporate consumers.
they basically say: "You want a full fledged content tracking system? we got it... and the best part is all your customers have the clients already installed! in form of the acrobat reader".
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and here comes the scoop: all functions you see are supported by acrobat reader... but you cant use them. They are there so you can provide them to the guys who paid for "pro extended".
Basically the pro extended package can create all that shit and all drones using acrobat reader will support the functionality. wheter they want it or not.
And here is the screamer: being a normal guy you will most likely never need all that crap. You know what does it mean when i say " document tracking system"? its just a fancy word for the dream of every adverstiser: Corporate customers can track how succesful their newsletter, advertising and customer Polls are.
Yup.. they can track how efficient their spam is. And all you sheeples who over the years keep complaining "omg i just want to read pdfs why is the install file soo big" never cared to actually read what is included. |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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| If no one bothers to tell them better then you can't really call them sheeple. It's like internet explorer in the pre-Firefox days. |
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OMG another Emacs  |
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| kernelOfTruth wrote: | wow that sounds kinda scary (it obviously contains lots of security holes that wait to be discovered) 
any plans to create a stripped-down version of it - say: PDF Reader Lite  |
Evince.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:40 am Post subject: |
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| Evince is gnomish bloatware. Use epdfview. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:13 am Post subject: |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | Evince is gnomish bloatware. Use epdfview. |
epdfview is gtk bloatware. Use mupdf. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| avx wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Evince is gnomish bloatware. Use epdfview. |
epdfview is gtk bloatware. Use mupdf. |
Okay.
Wait. Gotta have search functionality. Sorry. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:32 am Post subject: |
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So maybe that was the genius behind naming it Acrobat in the first place.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| avx wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Evince is gnomish bloatware. Use epdfview. |
epdfview is gtk bloatware. Use mupdf. |
I used epdfview before, but the quality it renders pictures in is unacceptable. Evince's rendering quality is great, it takes up less space on the screen and is more responsive than Acrobat.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:04 am Post subject: |
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| ichbinsisyphos wrote: | | avx wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Evince is gnomish bloatware. Use epdfview. |
epdfview is gtk bloatware. Use mupdf. |
I used epdfview before, but the quality it renders pictures in is unacceptable. Evince's rendering quality is great, it takes up less space on the screen and is more responsive than Acrobat. |
Yeah, it all depends on what you need.
I actually think evince is a good little program with some nice features (like the ability to look at dvi files, which is handy if you use TeX, which I don't lately). I opted for epdfview last time I had to think about it because it didn't have the gnome dependencies, which I was gutting my system of). |
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I use evince on windows - without installing all of kde, it's the best pdf reader I've seen for windows... although it's fortunate that I don't have the displeasure of needing it more than one in a blue moon.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| Evince and epdfview both use poppler. And mupdf is the incomplete successor to poppler. |
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| Try Okular. |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | ichbinsisyphos wrote: | | avx wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Evince is gnomish bloatware. Use epdfview. |
epdfview is gtk bloatware. Use mupdf. |
I used epdfview before, but the quality it renders pictures in is unacceptable. Evince's rendering quality is great, it takes up less space on the screen and is more responsive than Acrobat. |
Yeah, it all depends on what you need.
I actually think evince is a good little program with some nice features (like the ability to look at dvi files, which is handy if you use TeX, which I don't lately). I opted for epdfview last time I had to think about it because it didn't have the gnome dependencies, which I was gutting my system of). |
See, when you pull yourself together you can make a post without insulting people or calling them lemmings. I hope you can keep it that way from now on.
I noticed, you edited the harassing ad hominem insult against energyman in that other thread. While I would prefer it, if you didn't insult people in the first place, it is a start.
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:10 am Post subject: |
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| acrobat is massive bloatware, if all you want to do is read a pdf file you dont need a 50meg download |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | avx wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | Evince is gnomish bloatware. Use epdfview. |
epdfview is gtk bloatware. Use mupdf. |
Okay.
Wait. Gotta have search functionality. Sorry. |
Öhm, ok, it's currently not possible to search the whole document and I somehow can't type german umlauts, but at least searching through the current page is already possible, so we're getting there. |
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| avx wrote: | | Öhm, ok, it's currently not possible to search the whole document and I somehow can't type german umlauts, but at least searching through the current page is already possible, so we're getting there. |
I am using xpdf, and found it is now hard-masked. I have tried mupdf-0.9, and this version allows to search in the whole document. Looks like a good replacement for xpdf.
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I use epdfview. It's based on poppler, which is on the system already. It's basic, but it's light and gets the job done.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | I use epdfview. It's based on poppler, which is on the system already. It's basic, but it's light and gets the job done. |
yeahyeah, look above, you told us that 1.5 years ago
still mupdf here, though i admit i played with zathura for a while.
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zathura -- thank you, I've been trying to remember the name of it. It's the same architecture as epdfview (poppler, gtk+), but sounds like it has a user interface more like the rest of my environment. I've been meaning to try it.
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there's also the possibility to use mupdf instead of poppler in zathura, which is actually the reason i tried it. currently there's no ebuild, though, so one needs to get it from git.
edit, i stand corrected, there's an ebuild in an overlay here: https://github.com/gns-ank/gnlay/blob/master/app-text/zathura-pdf-mupdf/zathura-pdf-mupdf-9999.ebuild
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But CUPS uses poppler anyway, for it's "print to pdf" functionality. So why have two subsystems for rendering pdf files? Is it that much better?
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well, depends on your needs i would say. personally for the stuff i need to read, mupdf's rendering looks better to me and is also faster. i don't have a need for cups, though, so i guess you need to decide.
but out of curiosity, for what is printing to pdf good anyway? from the top of my head i can't imagine any reason to use it, either apps can output it directly or there are (imho) superior alternatives.
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