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 Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 9:41 am Post subject: Angry with opera browser! |
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Today I updated opera to latest beta (10.53_pre6330) and it pulled gstreamer and gst-plugins-meta also. 
There is no -gstreamer use flag available for opera! I hope when that browser hits final stage gstreamer will be optional (with use flag)!
I hate when binary closed source packages are pulling useless deps
Opera is my fave browser but our love may end soon 
/end of the whining
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:15 am Post subject: Re: Angry with opera browser! |
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| Why is opera depending on gstreamer a problem for you? |
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:45 am Post subject: Re: Angry with opera browser! |
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| Shining Arcanine wrote: | | Why is opera depending on gstreamer a problem for you? |
Because he is running Gentoo? I masked the new Opera, too. |
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Kollin
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 11:16 am Post subject: Re: Angry with opera browser! |
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| Jaglover wrote: | | Shining Arcanine wrote: | | Why is opera depending on gstreamer a problem for you? |
Because he is running Gentoo? I masked the new Opera, too. |
Yeah!
I consider gstreamer and it's plugins on my system as a cruft. No other package needs them except opera.
That's just annoying
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Welcome to HTML5 - your web browser is now also a full featured media player (because using plugins to allow browsers to handle alternative content is apparently a silly idea). |
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| AllenJB wrote: | | Welcome to HTML5 - your web browser is now also a full featured media player (because using plugins to allow browsers to handle alternative content is apparently a silly idea). |
Ehm, isn't gstreamer actually a plugin in this case - only that Opera is already linked to it (as opposed to choosing for yourself when selecting a FOSS-browser)? |
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Shining Arcanine
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Angry with opera browser! |
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| Kollin wrote: | | Jaglover wrote: | | Shining Arcanine wrote: | | Why is opera depending on gstreamer a problem for you? |
Because he is running Gentoo? I masked the new Opera, too. |
Yeah!
I consider gstreamer and it's plugins on my system as a cruft. No other package needs them except opera.
That's just annoying |
If Opera was designed in a way that makes it dependent upon gstreamer, there probably is no way for you to use Opera without it. On the other hand, if gstreamer is a false dependency, this sounds like something that should be a bug report. |
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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FYI.
I edited the ebuild and removed gstreamer dependency. I emerged it, I went to Youtube and it definitely has sound. That's all I need from my secondary browser.
| Code: | Version 10.54 Internal
Build 6331
Platform Linux
System x86_64, 2.6.33-gentoo-r2 |
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Jaglover wrote: | FYI.
I edited the ebuild and removed gstreamer dependency. I emerged it, I went to Youtube and it definitely has sound. That's all I need from my secondary browser.
| Code: | Version 10.54 Internal
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What's for gstreamer then
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| Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 8:35 am Post subject: |
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Thank you! That's really useful.
Big sigh:
It seems that opera is on it's way out of my desktop 
Chromium works really great with html5 and ffmpeg.I think that this is a better solution for html5 problem.
At least almost every multimedia ebuild is using ffmpeg as dependency, as result chromium does not install something that I will not need at all 
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| It's also on the way out of my desktop. For some reason I'm still rather starting up 10.10 though. |
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| I'd probably link them to this thread and others like it. Let them know that they will probably lose users. I usually install Opera as a backup browser but will be more hesitant do so now if I do not want to pull in gstreamer. |
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Martux
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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I also didn like this very much and opened a thread at opera forums about it.
Maybe there is additional info for you, personally I found the developer blog quite interesting:
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=559381&showresults=true
If it is really true that gstreamer will be part of kde-4.5, than it's inevitable for me...
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| Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Martux wrote: | | If it is really true that gstreamer will be part of kde-4.5, than it's inevitable for me... |
KDE has had a gstreamer backend for at least a year now.
Anyway what's wrong with that? At least KDE and Opera can agree on something, Mozilla and Google seem obsessed with reinventing the wheel when it comes to anything involving sound or moving video. |
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Martux
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In the opera thread it's said that gstreamer will be the *only* backend for phonon in kde-4.5 and xine-backend will be dropped.
In that case it will be inevitable of course. That's ok for me, as I always try to minimize dependencies where I can. My gentoo system with kde consists of 647 packages right now. That's not much if compared with any binary distri out there. They all double that amount at least. Imho one of gentoos biggest advantages, more than mystical speedups due to ricer cflags
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 8:59 am Post subject: |
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| Martux wrote: | | In the opera thread it's said that gstreamer will be the *only* backend for phonon in kde-4.5 and xine-backend will be dropped. |
Is that sure? How about generally thinking of gstreamer? I tried it some years ago and it didn't work.
Hopefully gstreamer is a better choice than hal. I only tried hal one time in 2007. Since then my system works "hal-free". The problem is k3b. Due to this and the horribly Amarok2 I still remain with k3b:3 and Amarok-1.4. But I guess there's no chance to get it working with gstreamer. With other words: I have to install both gstreamer and xine-lib.  |
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Just so you know, Opera does not *need* gstreamer; It's mainly for HTML5 multimedia stuff like audio and video, but it is not *needed*.
The ebuild is just being typically new-Gentoo; Pull in all potential dependencies whether they're hard or not. (Heck, on mine it even tries to pull in OpenGL and Mesa!! I know Opera 10.53 supports graphics acceleration but I'm running it in a VNC window so that dependency is completely irrelevent!)
Just stick it in an overlay and rip out what you don't need.
I need to go through mine properly at some point, but my quick-and-dirty modified ebuild looks like this:
| Code: | # Copyright 1999-2010 Gentoo Foundation
# Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
# $Header: /var/cvsroot/gentoo-x86/www-client/opera/opera-10.53_pre6330.ebuild,v 1.1 2010/04/30 16:35:42 jer Exp $
EAPI="2"
OPREFIX="/usr/lib"
inherit eutils
DESCRIPTION="A standards-compliant graphical Web browser"
HOMEPAGE="http://www.opera.com/"
SLOT="0"
LICENSE="OPERA-10.53 LGPL-2 LGPL-3"
KEYWORDS="~amd64 ~ppc ~x86 ~x86-fbsd"
RESTRICT="mirror test"
QA_DT_HASH="${OPREFIX}/${PN}/.*"
QA_PRESTRIPPED="${OPREFIX}/${PN}/.*"
IUSE="elibc_FreeBSD"
MY_LINGUAS="
be bg cs da de el en-GB es-ES es-LA et fi fr fr-CA fy hi hr hu id it ja ka
ko lt mk nb nl nn pl pt pt-BR ro ru sk sr sv ta te tr uk vi zh-CN zh-HK
zh-TW
"
for MY_LINGUA in ${MY_LINGUAS}; do
IUSE="${IUSE} linguas_${MY_LINGUA/-/_}"
done
O_U="http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/snapshot-${PV/*_pre}/"
O_P="${P/_pre/-}"
SRC_URI="
amd64? ( ${O_U}${O_P}.x86_64.linux.tar.bz2 )
ppc? ( ${O_U}${O_P}.ppc.linux.tar.bz2 )
x86? ( ${O_U}${O_P}.i386.linux.tar.bz2 )
x86-fbsd? ( ${O_U}${O_P}.i386.freebsd.tar.bz2 )
"
DEPEND=">=sys-apps/sed-4"
RDEPEND="
=x11-libs/gtk+-2*
dev-libs/atk
dev-libs/expat
dev-libs/glib
media-libs/fontconfig
media-libs/freetype
media-libs/libpng
sys-apps/util-linux
sys-libs/zlib
x11-libs/libICE
x11-libs/libSM
x11-libs/libX11
x11-libs/libXcursor
x11-libs/libXext
x11-libs/libXi
x11-libs/libXmu
x11-libs/libXrandr
x11-libs/libXt
"
# media-libs/glitz
# media-plugins/gst-plugins-meta
# virtual/opengl
# x11-libs/cairo
# x11-libs/libXau
# x11-libs/libXcomposite
# x11-libs/libXdamage
# x11-libs/libXdmcp
# x11-libs/libXfixes
# x11-libs/libXrender
# x11-libs/libxcb
# x11-libs/pango
# x11-libs/pixman
# x11-libs/xcb-util
opera_linguas() {
# Remove unwanted LINGUAS:
local LINGUA
local LNGDIR="${D}usr/share/${PN}/locale"
einfo "Keeping these locales: ${LINGUAS}."
for LINGUA in ${MY_LINGUAS}; do
if ! use linguas_${LINGUA/-/_}; then
LINGUA=$(find "${LNGDIR}" -maxdepth 1 -type d -iname ${LINGUA/_/-})
rm -r "${LINGUA}"
fi
fi
done
}
pkg_setup() {
echo -e \
" ${GOOD}****************************************************${NORMAL}"
elog "If you seek support, please file a bug report at"
elog "https://bugs.gentoo.org and post the output of"
elog " \`emerge --info =${CATEGORY}/${P}'"
echo -e \
" ${GOOD}****************************************************${NORMAL}"
}
src_unpack() {
unpack ${A}
if [[ ! -d ${S} ]]; then
cd "${WORKDIR}"/${PN}* || die "failed to enter work directory"
S="$(pwd)"
einfo "Setting WORKDIR to ${S}"
fi
}
src_install() {
# Remove "license directory" (bug #315473)
rm -rf "share/doc/opera"
# We install into usr instead of opt as Opera does not support the latter
dodir /usr
mv lib/ share/ "${D}"/usr/ || die "mv lib/ share/ failed"
# Unzip the man pages before sedding
gunzip "${D}"/usr/share/man/man1/* || die "gunzip failed"
# Replace PREFIX and SUFFIX in various files
sed -i \
-e "s:@@{PREFIX}:/usr:g" \
-e "s:@@{SUFFIX}::g" \
-e "s:@@{_SUFFIX}::g" \
-e "s:@@{USUFFIX}::g" \
"${D}"/usr/share/mime/packages/opera-widget.xml \
"${D}"/usr/share/man/man1/* \
"${D}"/usr/share/applications/opera-browser.desktop \
"${D}"/usr/share/applications/opera-widget-manager.desktop || die "sed failed"
# Install startup script
dobin ${PN}-widget-manager "${FILESDIR}"/opera || die "dobin failed"
# Stop revdep-rebuild from checking opera binaries
dodir /etc/revdep-rebuild
echo "SEARCH_DIRS_MASK=\"${OPREFIX}/${PN}\"" > "${D}"/etc/revdep-rebuild/90opera
# Change libz.so.3 to libz.so.1 for gentoo/freebsd
if use elibc_FreeBSD; then
scanelf -qR -N libz.so.3 -F "#N" "${D}"${OPREFIX}/${PN}/ | \
while read i; do
if [[ $(strings "$i" | fgrep -c libz.so.3) -ne 1 ]];
then
export SANITY_CHECK_LIBZ_FAILED=1
break
fi
sed -i -e 's/libz\.so\.3/libz.so.1/g' "$i"
done
[[ "$SANITY_CHECK_LIBZ_FAILED" = "1" ]] && die "failed to change libz.so.3 to libz.so.1"
fi
[[ -z MY_LINGUAS ]] || opera_linguas
}
pkg_postinst() {
elog "To change the UI language, choose [Tools] -> [Preferences], open the"
elog "[General] tab, click on [Details...] then [Choose...] and point the"
elog "file chooser at /usr/share/opera/locale/, then enter the"
elog "directory for the language you want and [Open] the .lng file."
if use elibc_FreeBSD; then
elog
elog "To improve shared memory usage please set:"
elog "$ sysctl kern.ipc.shm_allow_removed=1"
fi
}
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At the moment tho' I've got a bigger problems with opera to fix first (Namely the horrible breakage - UI Skin=Completely broken, Java=Non functional, Sessions=Not working properly, File browser dialog=Missing) |
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@musv:
I switched from xine-lib to gstreamer in the systemsettings. Mainly because I wanted to try it with amarok.
It worked out of the box, not one single complain so far. What nerves me, I also have xine-lib remaining because of k9copy
To get OT: Amarok is not that bad anymore... In fact 2.3.0.90 is really good. Of course one has to fiddle with the very, very unintuitive "playlist editor" to get something similar to the 1.4 layout... And if you stick with mysql-5.0.x embedded db should also work.
@Cyker:
I don't have any of the b0rkage you mention. Everything works properly. Which version do you use? I am on 10.53_pre6330 here.
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| Martux wrote: | | Amarok is not that bad anymore... In fact 2.3.0.90 is really good. Of course one has to fiddle with the very, very unintuitive "playlist editor" to get something similar to the 1.4 layout... And if you stick with mysql-5.0.x embedded db should also work. |
I tried parallel to Amarok-1.4 v2.0. That was a crap. 2.1 was much better and 2.2 at least works without problems but gives me conflicts with Amarok-1.4. Means, the collections scanner doesn't work. And 1.4 froze when started.
I gave Amarok2 some chances. I just want the layout of 1.4. Even if I try it again I can't get warm with that unintuitive look & feel of Amarok2. Somebody in another thread said Amarok looks like iTunes. Ok, I've never seen iTunes. But I don't like it.
OnTopic:
GStreamer I would try for a long time. But I haven't used any software that relies on gstreamer except of aMSN. |
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Martux wrote: | @Cyker:
I don't have any of the b0rkage you mention. Everything works properly. Which version do you use? I am on 10.53_pre6330 here. |
I am also on 10.53_pre6330
Maybe some of the dependencies I removed aren't as useless as I thought 
So you don't have *any* of the breakage? Puzzling...
The UI has changed a lot from the old version so the skin breakage is not surprising (Esp. since I've been nursing this skin along since Opera 5! I'm in the process of rebuilding it to be 10.5 compliant, but it's a friggin' minefield!  )
I found that Java support has been removed for the moment as they are changing Opera to use the NAPAPI (or whatever it was) plugin instead of using the JRE directly like it used to do.
Sessions - There is some weird bug which messes up the order and position of saved windows, notably shifting all the windows up and resequencing them in the order that they were last 'touched'.
File dialog is a bitch; I think it's due to them going raw X instead of using a toolkit. Whatever the cause, I no longer have a file browser dialog; I just have a field for the filepath and name, and the file type but no list of folders or files to actually pick! |
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Cyker:
Hmm, I just found out that java is really not working
For the skin - I use Tango CL atm and no problems
Sessions - saves and restores correctly
And the file dialog is KDEs, very beautiful 
I am on ~amd64 here. MAybe try to move your profile directory and start up fresh, just copying one config after another?
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Sessions - Have you tried opening up several windows with tabs in them and see if it still recalls all the window positions?
I'm tempted to send you my monster session file to test 
For the file dialog, what you said gave me an idea so many thanks for that 
There seems to be an incompatibility with Opera 10.53 and the qt setup on my system. Maybe because I have qt3 and qt4 it's getting confused and bombing?
I found an override in opera:config#FileSelector|DialogToolkit and, forcing it to use GTK+ (Setting=2) and restarting opera has gotten me a file selector back! 
Wooo! Tanks! |
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Well, it crashes when I try to save a session...
But restores my previous saved session (with opera-10.10 that was) correct. It only consists of 2 Windows. What do you have 20?
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It is a very bad habit
Since Opera 5, I found I could have multiple windows and multiple 'tabs' within those windows (Only we didn't call them tabs back then because, well, they weren't! They were windows-within-windows; MDI, much more flexible than lameass tabs! ).
So as time went on, when I had an interesting site I stuck it in a 'background' window instead of bookmarking it... then after a while i had so many I started opening more windows and grouping similar sites together in the same window...
So now I have hardly any bookmarks and a crapload of windows and tabs!
This is also why Opera is my main browser; There is not a single other browser on earth which can have this many windows and tabs open and not crash. Only one that comes close is Chrome (FF can't even cope with the no. of tabs in one of my windows, never mind all of them!! ), but that has the problem of using up all RAM and CPU
So obviously, it is a bit of a bugger when the sessions aren't working 100% for me
But it is a beta and I remember having similar problems with the 9.x betas so I just got to be patient I guess |
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