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I know this is not the right forum to ask but if your son was an heroin addict what would you do?
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| Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: What to do with a toxic child |
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| erm67 wrote: | | I know this is not the right forum to ask but if your son was an heroin addict what would you do? |
Sell his stash and buy him some good LSD.
For a serious answer, I'd get some Ibogaine for him. One heavy trip on that has been known to cure multiple addictions.
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| beat him mercilessly |
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Everything that I could.
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Look into Ibogaine though. It really is an amazing fix for addictions.
Here's the wikipedia article on it.
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Confront them about it and ask them to go to rehab and/or get other help? stage an intervention?
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| Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:16 pm Post subject: Re: What to do with a toxic child |
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| Chopinzee wrote: | | erm67 wrote: | | I know this is not the right forum to ask but if your son was an heroin addict what would you do? |
Sell his stash and buy him some good LSD.
For a serious answer, I'd get some Ibogaine for him. One heavy trip on that has been known to cure multiple addictions. |
this, on both accounts...
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| Naloxone would be the better idea |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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I don't have to what if this scenario. I'm living it.
Chopinzee, thanks for the heads up on the Ibogaine. I've never heard of it before.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: What to do with a toxic child |
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| erm67 wrote: | | I know this is not the right forum to ask but if your son was an heroin addict what would you do? |
Depends on whether or not he is an adult. If yes, then I'd change my locks and get a restraining order to keep him away from my house.
Next question would be whether or not he was causing trouble for me as a result. If he was a minor and had drugs in my home, see above. After that, I'd check with a friend on the ramifications of the kid getting caught in my house with drugs. If I could arrange it so I was safe if he got caught with the drugs, I'd let him back in, made sure he had them, then arrange for the kid to be caught.
You also didn't mention whether or not his mother was a factor. They're rarely rational about their children, so that would complicate matters.
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Ibogaine is not a miracle cure and can have serious consequences if not administered very carefully. An ibogaine patient should be monitored for every single millisecond that he/she is on ibogaine; heroine or other opiates may severely interact with ibogaine.
Ibogaine has not been adequately studied (it doesn't matter why not, since I feel some people are going to complain on those grounds) and I would personally not trust ibogaine to heal myself or a loved-one. It does not work for everybody, and there are cases of relapse. Prior mental health issues are just one of several contraindications for treatment, which would likely disqualify many addicts.
If I had a heroine addict son, I would enlist other doctors to provide proper detoxification and psychological support; I'd do it myself, but they say parents make the worst psychologists--I suppose it would depend on the relationship I'd have with my son, I'd like to think that I would have raised him well enough that he doesn't develop a drug habit in the first place. |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2010 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: What to do with a toxic child |
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| pjp wrote: | | erm67 wrote: | | I know this is not the right forum to ask but if your son was an heroin addict what would you do? |
Depends on whether or not he is an adult. If yes, then I'd change my locks and get a restraining order to keep him away from my house.
Next question would be whether or not he was causing trouble for me as a result. If he was a minor and had drugs in my home, see above. After that, I'd check with a friend on the ramifications of the kid getting caught in my house with drugs. If I could arrange it so I was safe if he got caught with the drugs, I'd let him back in, made sure he had them, then arrange for the kid to be caught.
You also didn't mention whether or not his mother was a factor. They're rarely rational about their children, so that would complicate matters. |
You make a terrible hypothetical father. |
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| MadeOfStaples wrote: | | I suppose it would depend on the relationship I'd have with my son, I'd like to think that I would have raised him well enough that he doesn't develop a drug habit in the first place. |
so you think that the relationship a person had with your father makes a difference on whether someone should be a heroin addict or not?
off-topic: did everyone know that heroin is actually a trade name? It's real name is diamorphine and was originally marketed as "Heroin: the non-addictive form of morphine" 
edit: cleared up some ambiguity
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| Old School wrote: | I don't have to what if this scenario. I'm living it.
Chopinzee, thanks for the heads up on the Ibogaine. I've never heard of it before. |
A friend of mine from Japan (Canadian English teacher) ended up moving to Thailand back around 96, he got addicted pretty badly. Ibogaine cured him... from him I learned about it, and everything I read about it is great. What pisses me off is how unavailable it is, and how it's treated as drug by many governments.
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| MadeOfStaples wrote: | | I suppose it would depend on the relationship I'd have with my son, I'd like to think that I would have raised him well enough that he doesn't develop a drug habit in the first place. |
I went to school with two brothers who were a year apart. They had a good home life. One went to MIT and the other got into drugs and is now in jail I believe. |
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| cokehabit wrote: | | MadeOfStaples wrote: | | I suppose it would depend on the relationship I'd have with my son, I'd like to think that I would have raised him well enough that he doesn't develop a drug habit in the first place. |
so you think that the relationship a person had with your father makes a difference on whether someone should be a heroin addict or not? |
No, but possibly. Parental relationship has been identified as one of the most important factors for the initiation of illicit drug use, on the other hand. So while there may be at least a correlation between parental relationship and heroine addiction, parental relationship can improve without removing the addiction.
| sts wrote: | | MadeOfStaples wrote: | | I suppose it would depend on the relationship I'd have with my son, I'd like to think that I would have raised him well enough that he doesn't develop a drug habit in the first place. |
I went to school with two brothers who were a year apart. They had a good home life. One went to MIT and the other got into drugs and is now in jail I believe. |
That's a pretty naive Bernoulli trial, isn't it? There's a huge psychological difference in growing up with an older brother versus growing up with a younger brother. Not to mention, this example would better be used to demonstrate that propensity for drug addiction isn't hereditary. It is largely hereditary, by the way, I'm not denying that; the question asked what about the hypothetical situation wherein my kid might develop a drug habit, I do not have a family history of substance addiction or abuse, so all that's left to do is ensure that the kid is psychologically sound.
Edit: the "I suppose it would depend on the relationship I'd have with my son" wasn't meant to be so connected to the text immediately following it; it was more along the lines of whether or not I would serve as the medical doctor who tapers my son off of heroine and/or the therapist who provides psychological support. |
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| MadeOfStaples wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | | MadeOfStaples wrote: | | I suppose it would depend on the relationship I'd have with my son, I'd like to think that I would have raised him well enough that he doesn't develop a drug habit in the first place. |
so you think that the relationship a person had with your father makes a difference on whether someone should be a heroin addict or not? |
No, but possibly. Parental relationship has been identified as one of the most important factors for the initiation of illicit drug use, on the other hand. So while there may be at least a correlation between parental relationship and heroine addiction, parental relationship can improve without removing the addiction. |
so what would be the answer? Removing the father from the equation or the opposite? |
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| cokehabit wrote: | | MadeOfStaples wrote: | | No, but possibly. Parental relationship has been identified as one of the most important factors for the initiation of illicit drug use, on the other hand. So while there may be at least a correlation between parental relationship and heroine addiction, parental relationship can improve without removing the addiction. |
so what would be the answer? Removing the father from the equation or the opposite? |
"The answer"? I'm afraid relationships aren't so simple so to be considered boolean... |
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| MadeOfStaples wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | | MadeOfStaples wrote: | | No, but possibly. Parental relationship has been identified as one of the most important factors for the initiation of illicit drug use, on the other hand. So while there may be at least a correlation between parental relationship and heroine addiction, parental relationship can improve without removing the addiction. |
so what would be the answer? Removing the father from the equation or the opposite? |
"The answer"? I'm afraid relationships aren't so simple so to be considered boolean... |
but if the father is the problem then taking him out of the equation is correct... or is it?
No, this goes far beyond your - or anyone's - idea of what good parenting is, to presume so is absurd |
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| sugar wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | | Naloxone would be the better idea |
I'd listen to cokey. Trainspotting is like his fav movie evar! |
Naloxone is an old drug though, there are probably better ones out there now |
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| cokehabit wrote: | | MadeOfStaples wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | | MadeOfStaples wrote: | | No, but possibly. Parental relationship has been identified as one of the most important factors for the initiation of illicit drug use, on the other hand. So while there may be at least a correlation between parental relationship and heroine addiction, parental relationship can improve without removing the addiction. |
so what would be the answer? Removing the father from the equation or the opposite? |
"The answer"? I'm afraid relationships aren't so simple so to be considered boolean... |
but if the father is the problem then taking him out of the equation is correct... or is it? |
No. Removing the father might be an improvement, however, depending on the specifics of the situation.
| cokehabit wrote: | | No, this goes far beyond your - or anyone's - idea of what good parenting is, to presume so is absurd |
Whoa, calm down, I didn't even suggest a particular parenting style. |
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| MadeOfStaples wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | | MadeOfStaples wrote: | | cokehabit wrote: | | MadeOfStaples wrote: | | No, but possibly. Parental relationship has been identified as one of the most important factors for the initiation of illicit drug use, on the other hand. So while there may be at least a correlation between parental relationship and heroine addiction, parental relationship can improve without removing the addiction. |
so what would be the answer? Removing the father from the equation or the opposite? |
"The answer"? I'm afraid relationships aren't so simple so to be considered boolean... |
but if the father is the problem then taking him out of the equation is correct... or is it? |
No. Removing the father might be an improvement, however, depending on the specifics of the situation. |
Even if the parent is bad for the child, taking him away could make the child even worse. Remember, there are almost infinitely far more bad parents that don't know they are than there are ones that beat and/or abuse their children. |
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I'm sorry if this rather off-topic post, but I would like to say that an individual is responsible for his/her own actions. If my son were a drug addict, I would do absolutely nothing for him. I'm pretty sure the feeling is mutual.
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| cokehabit wrote: | | MadeOfStaples wrote: | | No. Removing the father might be an improvement, however, depending on the specifics of the situation. |
Even if the parent is bad for the child, taking him away could make the child even worse. Remember, there are almost infinitely far more bad parents that don't know they are than there are ones that beat and/or abuse their children. |
Hence "depending on the specifics of the situation." |
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