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anjgentoo
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 Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:41 pm Post subject: I'm done : I'm back to Gentoo |
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After years of happy Gentoo, my system became a nightmare, probably due to KDE3>KDE4 migration. I had a lot of conflicts during emerge, I got fed up and moved my laptop to Mint and my desktop to Ubuntu KDE 9.04 in September 09.
The first thing I discovered is that I still had to open the bonnet to fine tune the localization (a nightmare) and the screen resolution. Still, my laptop sometimes starts with the wrong screen resolution. So, I started to wonder why I would invest time fighting against Ubuntu auto-config.
Then a miracle happened. I accepted the upgrade to Unbuntu 9.10 on the desktop.
Suddenly, nothing was working anymore ...
Believe it or not, Ubuntu 9.10 DOES NOT ACCEPT static IP ... When you do it by hand through ifconfig, it does not stay long ...
And there is a big conflict with nvidia cards. And other big problems ...
Then I tried other distros to check again ...
Fedora never ended the LiveCD install
Suse installed well but I hate their config center
Same with Mandriva.
And ... I decided to check Gentoo again.
OK, it took some time to install the system, but everything works a charm AND I KNOW WHY ...
(the only trouble I got was with localization, but now ... I know why)
So, the lesson of this story ?
When you are feeling completely trapped in recursive emerge hell : re-install a fresh Gentoo ! |
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slonocode
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| Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:47 pm Post subject: Re: I'm done : I'm back to Gentoo |
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| anjgentoo wrote: | After years of happy Gentoo, my system became a nightmare, probably due to KDE3>KDE4 migration. I had a lot of conflicts during emerge, I got fed up and moved my laptop to Mint and my desktop to Ubuntu KDE 9.04 in September 09.
The first thing I discovered is that I still had to open the bonnet to fine tune the localization (a nightmare) and the screen resolution. Still, my laptop sometimes starts with the wrong screen resolution. So, I started to wonder why I would invest time fighting against Ubuntu auto-config.
Then a miracle happened. I accepted the upgrade to Unbuntu 9.10 on the desktop.
Suddenly, nothing was working anymore ...
Believe it or not, Ubuntu 9.10 DOES NOT ACCEPT static IP ... When you do it by hand through ifconfig, it does not stay long ...
And there is a big conflict with nvidia cards. And other big problems ...
Then I tried other distros to check again ...
Fedora never ended the LiveCD install
Suse installed well but I hate their config center
Same with Mandriva.
And ... I decided to check Gentoo again.
OK, it took some time to install the system, but everything works a charm AND I KNOW WHY ...
(the only trouble I got was with localization, but now ... I know why)
So, the lesson of this story ?
When you are feeling completely trapped in recursive emerge hell : re-install a fresh Gentoo ! |
What a story! So when you discover that every linux non-meta distro is a complete failure; install gentoo. When gentoo fails just reinstall it. How cool. |
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anjgentoo
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So, except complete reinstallation, what would you do ?
By the way, during this fresh installation, I found some USE flags trouble generating some nice recursive blockers too.
But coming from Ubuntu 9.10, my patience was strong ... |
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| anjgentoo wrote: | So, except complete reinstallation, what would you do ?
By the way, during this fresh installation, I found some USE flags trouble generating some nice recursive blockers too.
But coming from Ubuntu 9.10, my patience was strong ... |
I'd extract an older working stage4-tarball and use that or update from there
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jak137
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| Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: I'm done : I'm back to Gentoo |
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| anjgentoo wrote: | Believe it or not, Ubuntu 9.10 DOES NOT ACCEPT static IP ... When you do it by hand through ifconfig, it does not stay long ...
And there is a big conflict with nvidia cards. And other big problems ... |
That's strange... I have configured a laptop with Ubuntu 9.10 to use either dhcp or one of several static IPs, so at least for me, it works...
The problem with manual network settings being overridden comes from NetworkManager service and affects Gentoo too, if you install and run NM. Try disabling it (note: it seems that stopping it, after it has already been started at boot time, is not enough - it can still cause problems with wireless cards) and you should be able to use ifconfig/iwconfig.
If you want to have a static IP you have to create an appropriate "wired connection" AND make sure that no other connection has "start automatically" option turned on. I am not sure, but if you don't have any connection defined than one is created automatically when you plug in Ethernet cable and it is the auto-starting dhcp.
And finally, what is the "big conflict with nvidia cards"? Mine works fine. Have you enabled "partners" repository? Installed drivers? Enabled them in drivers manager? |
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anjgentoo,
Welcome back ... we knew you would come.
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Everyone has to comeback one day
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| Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: I'm done : I'm back to Gentoo |
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| anjgentoo wrote: | | The first thing I discovered is that I still had to open the bonnet to fine tune the localization (a nightmare) and the screen resolution. Still, my laptop sometimes starts with the wrong screen resolution. So, I started to wonder why I would invest time fighting against Ubuntu auto-config. |
This is Xorg autoconfig actually. Use X -configure to generate a xorg.conf with custom resolutions and you should be fine.
| Quote: | | Believe it or not, Ubuntu 9.10 DOES NOT ACCEPT static IP ... When you do it by hand through ifconfig, it does not stay long ... |
Remove NetworkManager |
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Hi, if you use hal+dbus+evdev, then you don't even need a /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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| d2_racing wrote: | | Hi, if you use hal+dbus+evdev, then you don't even need a /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
Unless you need a specific resolution  |
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In fact, if it's not a standard one
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| d2_racing wrote: | | Everyone has to comeback one day |
Ooohhh yes!
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Sometimes I feel like testing some other distribution on a different partition. But it's always the same. Gentoo is somewhat hmm, addictive...
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| HeadbangingMan wrote: | | Sometimes I feel like testing some other distribution on a different partition. But it's always the same. Gentoo is somewhat hmm, addictive... |
So is heroin. |
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| slonocode wrote: | | HeadbangingMan wrote: | | Sometimes I feel like testing some other distribution on a different partition. But it's always the same. Gentoo is somewhat hmm, addictive... |
So is heroin. |
One of my driving instructors made a similar remark about high-performance driving: "With drugs, at least you can go to rehab. If the racing bug bites, all you can do is run out of money."
I guess it's a darn good thing Gentoo is free. 
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| timeBandit wrote: | | I guess it's a darn good thing Gentoo is free. |
In fact, because if not, I'm broke
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Ahh! What a story...
But the best distro to cure someone from being "fed-up-with-gentoo" is debian. Some hours with apt-cache, apt-get and aptitude and you'll love gentoo and its portage for the rest of your life.
btw: Instead of NetworkManager try wicd. It has solved a lot of trouble on all my machines, even those which have wired network only.
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| Yamakuzure wrote: | | btw: Instead of NetworkManager try wicd. It has solved a lot of trouble on all my machines, even those which have wired network only. |
In fact, WICD is pretty awesome nowadays.
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recursive emerge hell...
Ahhh the memories... I remember when xorg first when modular. I tried it out when the dev first posted some test ebuilds on his devspace... Talk about recursion hell! I haven't had that much fun with portage in years! 
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Yep, with overlays you can have a lot of fun sometimes
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| Yamakuzure wrote: | Ahh! What a story...
But the best distro to cure someone from being "fed-up-with-gentoo" is debian. Some hours with apt-cache, apt-get and aptitude and you'll love gentoo and its portage for the rest of your life.
btw: Instead of NetworkManager try wicd. It has solved a lot of trouble on all my machines, even those which have wired network only. |
I use it as well and it is great. The only thing I have to complain about is the RDEPEND:
net-wireless/wireless-tools
net-wireless/wpa_supplicant
So you have to install wireless stuff, even though you have no card
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| d2_racing wrote: | | Yamakuzure wrote: | | btw: Instead of NetworkManager try wicd. It has solved a lot of trouble on all my machines, even those which have wired network only. |
In fact, WICD is pretty awesome nowadays. |
I've always kept my systems pretty minimal - no GNOME or KDE. That means for my laptop I have some scripts hooked into dhcp that tweak things based on what subnet it's connected to on boot. But it also means that to run wireless I have to bring up an xterm, su to root, bring up the wireless adapter, start wpa_supplicant, and if I'm not in one of a very few places, bring up wpa_gui to pick my network. A bit of a pain, but it does all work.
I've stayed away from network-manager because it's too GNOMEy. I've played a little with python eggtray stuff, but have never had time to really develop a systray applet to control my networking. I installed WICD a while back, played with it a bit, and decided that it wasn't convenient - at least not at that time. I've seen it get updated from time to time, but haven't tried playing with it again.
You're happy with it?
Does it have exits/hooks so I can add my tweaks?
Tweak info...
By default I start no services at all. I run dnsmasq, configured to respond only to loopback.
If I'm not on work or home networks, I set up xdm with "-nolisten tcp", so there are no open ports whatsoever. (other than DHCP client)
If I'm on my home network, I allow remote X connections and start sshd.
If I'm on the company network, I do that, start OpenAFS, and shuffle PAM files for an integrated AFS login.
If I'm on the company network and on my office subnet, (soon to be changed to detect if I'm docked, since I found out how to do that a few days ago) I fiddle with xorg.conf to handle the external display panel.
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I use xrandr on the laptop for the external display. Depending on the naming of your displays, its a oneline to expand or mirror the display
When I am home, I can show you mine...
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