What are the packages you HATE to emerge and WHY ?

Cyker · Veteran Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 1427

The good thing is that lessons were learned from expat; I have the warnings enabled (i.e. PORTAGE_ELOG_SYSTEM="save_summary echo"), and also the eselect news thing that'd been suggested and discussed for ages finally appeared and was ossom

I'm certain these warnings have helped save my system on a few occasions now; It's certainly better than having to boot up Windows to check the forums and find out what horrible things have broken that way! :lol:

As for my overlay mods, I considered submitting them, but I don't think they'd be welcome:
Unless things have changed significantly since I last looked, there is a definite trend towards fewer USEflags, whereas I tend to USEflag every single optional feature the ./configure script offers...!
I also optionalize as many dependencies as possible;The net result of all this is some of my ebuilds have double or triple the number of USEflags of the original ebuilds, but have far fewer hard dependencies.
The other thing is a lot of the things in my overlay are me restoring USE flag options that were removed due to some asinine bug report about something not working or being buggy, so I'd doubt that'd get reversed...
I do find it quite vexing but try not to complain too much as the maintainers are probably under a lot more pressure than me to keep some semblance of stability without being worked to death (It can be quite time consuming maintaining it, despite the relatively small size!)

d2_racing · Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 1:54 am Post subject:

Now I remember the famous Expat hell

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codestation · Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 6:18 am Post subject:

I hate compiling Openoffice, boost, glibc, gcc, xulrunner (those takes too long), 2 webkits (chromium and qt, at least i got rid of webkit-gtk), amarok (i forgot how many times i compiled that thing in the past month while trying to find a bug), KDE (a couple of days ago i had compiled almost all of 4.3.3, then 4.3.4 appears wtf :?:

) and QT.

P.D.: God, dont remind me of patch-2.6, i had to recompile almost a month worth of packages :evil:

P.D.2.: I am glad that the expat hell dont got me, but i cant say the same about the libstdc++.so.5 bug of some years ago that broke almost all my OS.
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Dr.Willy · Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 8:13 pm Post subject:

Cyker · Veteran Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 1427

Sorry, not a big fan of Chromium, but it's quite easy if you want to have a go your self!

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keet · Guru Joined: 09 Sep 2008 Posts: 314

I dislike Openoffice because it tends to fail, but then, it hasn't failed for me in a while. Nothing bothers me that much because usually the worst that happens is I set my computer to emerge --keepgoing overnight and I might need to emerge a couple things in the morning. I think most people here who have them agree that having a quad-core C.P.U. is great for Gentoo.
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dextermagnific · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 16 Apr 2005 Posts: 107

Hey I forgot one : PyQt !!!!!!!
This is hell this package makes a python interface of every Qt header ! Needed for PyKDE, which is needed for plasma scripts. So for every KDE upgrade you may need to rebuild Qt and PyQt

Kollin · Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 3:40 pm Post subject:

Qt and related

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dufeu · l33t Joined: 30 Aug 2002 Posts: 665 Location: US-FL-EST

Any toolchain changes.

'Nuff said.

Oh yes! patch-2.6 was indeed nasty! {shudders}
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luispa · Guru Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 340 Location: España

Qt also.

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eccerr0r · Advocate Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Posts: 2212 Location: USA

Things/Categories that I hate to emerge:

1. Baselayout and its dependencies, especially pam. Hell can break loose. Luckily I only experienced it with test systems.
2. gcc-x.y.z, where old gcc-a.b.c's a<x especially, and also b<y sometimes. This tends to cause breakage with libstdc++, glibc tends to be less of a problem, except that it tends to accompany a gcc bump.
3. Anything else where major version numbers changed, because breakage can happen.
4. ati-drivers. 'nuff said (binary)
5. Anything marked ~ especially multimedia libraries that haven't settled on a API ... but that's expected

I think my worst emerges to date:
1. The Expat ordeal - major breakage
2. gcc-3.6 (libstdc++) and gcc-4.0 (more libstdc++) - large breakage
3. ati-drivers breaking graphics due to kernel incompatibility.
4. xorg-server version bumps tend to be painful, X11 tends to be "core"
5. apache-1.3 to apache-2, php4 to php5, and mysql4 to mysql5 ... broke lots of functionality but at least core system didn't break and I expected the issues.

This is not to say there are a lot of horrible breakages to fix (like the device-mapper/lvm change, the ongoing ffmpeg issue, lots of e2fsprogs dependency changes such as libcom/libss, mplayer's dependencies, upgrading wine scares me as it could break a delicate system, etc ...)

I fear that upgrading Gnome will bite me once in a while too. Lots of little packages to determine which one's the culprit.

I tend to not fear "large" emerges, distcc and fairly quick machines tend to cover (like xulrunner I don't fear at all anymore...)
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yngwin · Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 4:34 am Post subject:

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eccerr0r · Advocate Joined: 01 Jul 2004 Posts: 2212 Location: USA

C++ programs takes forever to compile.

I guess I don't feel too much pain, I've compiled evolution on my P3-1GHz...

I think my top four worst compiles to date, starting with #4:

#4: gcc 2.96, Solbourne OS/MP 4.0D/KAP 33MHz/8MB -- 4 hours
#3: NetBSD 1.2 kernel, DECstation 3100, 24MB -- 5 hours
#2: Linux kernel 0.99pl12, 386DX40-4MB swapping to a 2:1 interleave HDD -- 6 hours
#1: CenterICQ, DECstation 3100, 24MB -- 3 days (C++ code, and swaps VERY badly, 100+MB into swap)

Anything better than these is child's play... though I dare not compile OpenOffice, and xulrunner tends to merely be in the < 2 hour range...

And again I suppose compile time is nothing, just leave the computer do its job. The things that hurt is things that need user intervention to do, like fixing links that don't show up till half way through the compile, or after compiling and installing, everything ends up saying:

libexpat.so: not found
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Hypnos · Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 9:30 pm Post subject:

* If an update causes massive breakage, it's either a bug or you screwed up.

* There is a logic behind Webkit's design. Web engines require front-ends for interfacing with browsers, but also back-ends to interface with the platform. xulrunner has a great number of dependencies like Xorg, Cairo+Pango, Alsa, etc. which are not portable to other platforms like Windows and Mac. It also has dependencies on nss and nspr which are redundant on many platforms.

By contrast, qt-webkit only depends on Qt -- no nspr or nss, no platform-specific libs. The idea is to "wrap" the web engine with the platform's core library (Qt, GNOME stack, Cocoa) to minimize complexity. WebKit devs only have to worry about WebCore and JSCore, port maintainers don't have to worry design compromises to accommodate sister ports, and packagers don't have to track a multitude of deps.
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Hypnos · Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2009 4:07 am Post subject:

I don't recall a situation where an upgrade involved following a procedure that wasn't unavoidable.

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warrens · Posted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:59 pm Post subject:

Packages I hate to emerge are...NONE :lol:

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Quick23t · n00b Joined: 07 Aug 2009 Posts: 66 Location: Phoenix, AZ

Pretty much any specialty software, FreeCAD as an example has yet to actually compile or install correctly under Gentoo. Programs that have too small of a user base are always a problem..

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