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disi
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What is more important to me: after the Gentoo Box is set up, it runs forever if you do not update to any unstable stuff...
Especially the kernel and commandline never crashed on me in Gentoo, while OpenSuse, CentOS, Fedora, Ubuntu all refuse to boot or crash, just because there is an additional damaged HD connected... (I/O buffer error) 
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..even then.. I run ~x86 on all my systems and they've been running nonstop for 6 months. I'm also using btrfs with compression.
Just waiting for the headers to be updated so I can do an emerge --update on most of them.
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alistair
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I like this bit
| Quote: | Although we are not comparing apples to apples, Gentoo did out-perform Ubuntu in almost every test, and sometimes by a fair margin. It does appear that optimizing for a specific CPU can yield a decent performance increase.
Of course, Gentoo offers benefits in other areas with their USE flags and being able to build a highly customized system. The question is whether the amount of time it takes is worth the benefit, and that’s a personal choice. |
Seems to suggest that the author was not pushing any specific agenda.... Tho to be honest I do think that it was leaning toward gentoo too much in his awarding of tests. Some of those tests has only a marginal difference between -02 gentoo and ubuntu ( lets assume ubuntu uses -02 for most things ). I wouldn't call those either way ( or would only give a 1/2 "point" ).
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I'd like to see one with LDFLAGS as well. I'm still using
LDFLAGS="-Wl,-O1 -Wl,--hash-style=gnu -Wl,--as-needed"
Some of which like the --hash-style I think might be redundant or depreciated. Also not sure whether --as-needed works with -O1. Most of the LDFLAGS documentation for Gentoo is really old and from questionable sources like the old Gentoo wiki archives.
As far as the -O3, I think it gets more useful as cpu caches get larger and memory becomes less of an issue. I've got 8Mb of shared L3 and 6GB of ram. Don't particularly care about compile time as I can do OO.org in less than 30 min without ccache. Might as well pack in all the expensive "optimizations" (that is, if they aren't gentoo-wiki old wives tales). |
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I wonder how much it mattered the Ubuntu was using an older kernel and a newer version of X.Org Server. Also, Ubuntu runs in Gnome by default, while Xfce is lighter, using less memory and C.P.U. I wonder how it would have gone using the exact same versions of everything and the same desktop environments.
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| keet wrote: | | I wonder how much it mattered the Ubuntu was using an older kernel and a newer version of X.Org Server. Also, Ubuntu runs in Gnome by default, while Xfce is lighter, using less memory and C.P.U. I wonder how it would have gone using the exact same versions of everything and the same desktop environments. |
Gnome is pretty light weight relative to KDE. I have seen many instances where applications on GNOME were much faster than running on KDE. as for Xfce I think the difference is less.
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it would have been even more interesting if they had a no optimization build to compare all these to.
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Although I know these links, the ubuntu fools are still not convinced that preloading a distribution with 1200+ packages and having tons of applications running in the back ground doesn't matter!
Also a package pulling 2 or 3 dependencies (and so a few libraries on startup) instead of 20 or 30 does not matter according to them.
The Ubuntu fools are windows people, you should realize that...they always have a false optimistic approach that precompiled and compiled binaries have absolutely no difference. |
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Also you need to "learn" how to make your system faster...a thing which's not the cup of tea for the whole-hearted ubuntu guys.
I mean it's a shame to use a distros like Ubuntu when you can easily install/use stuff like arch and Gentoo! |
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Sade
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I think Ubuntu is a beautiful distribution, as is Gentoo, but they are meant for different people. I also think that the existence of Ubuntu helps all linux users, also Gentoo, because it creates a bigger market, and an OS to reference to. Dell would not supply laptops with Gentoo so easily, but it does supply laptops with Ubuntu.
Having that said, i luv gentoo, and even more portage, not for it's speed but for the amount of control you have over each package and it's configuration.
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| zeek wrote: | | Holy cow Gentoo roasted Ubuntu! |
It is nice when your OS is the alpha dog.
Anyway, I would like to see more of an apples to apples comparison, with a control Gentoo installation using the same video driver, desktop environment, kernel version, etcetera as Ubuntu for the tests. I noticed that the software they said their Gentoo installation had was more up to date than the software the Ubuntu had, so some of the performance differences could be due to improvements in the actual software, although I imagine that this would reflect the current state of affairs in the Linux world, where Gentoo users get the latest software (or close to the latest) while the rest of the Linux world has to wait months before it filters down to them. |
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Ion Silverbolt
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| Gentoo beating Ubuntu in speed is a no brainer. I'd rather see him run Gentoo vs. Arch to see the difference between i686 and specific CPU optimizing. |
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| Ion Silverbolt wrote: | | Gentoo beating Ubuntu in speed is a no brainer. I'd rather see him run Gentoo vs. Arch to see the difference between i686 and specific CPU optimizing. |
In fact, also we should bench 2 Gentoo box with a Quad core.One with the default cflags and the other with -march=native -pipe.
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