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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:02 pm    Post subject: OFFICIAL Zen Kernel Discussion - zen-kernel.org Reply with quote

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First! See the website at zen-kernel.org! Register!
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Zen Ebuilds!
Zen stable ebuilds can now be found in the portage tree, simply add the entry for sys-kernel/zen-sources to package.keywords , sync, and run emerge zen-sources
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Zen Git Trees!
Zen: git://zen-kernel.org/kernel/zen.git
Zen-Stable: git://zen-kernel.org/kernel/zen-stable.git
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would like to add git zen-sources but this wont happen before the weekend. So if somebody has already an ebuild for git zen-sources please attach it on relevant bug
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

zen-sources coming to portage... unbelievable :D

Thanks Markos.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hwoarang wrote:
I would like to add git zen-sources but this wont happen before the weekend. So if somebody has already an ebuild for git zen-sources please attach it on relevant bug

I don't know of any ebuilds, but how would you propose doing it exactly? (As there are 2 git repositories zen-stable.git and zen.git)

Possibly a "stable" use flag for it?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correct

As stable use flag will pull the stable branch :)
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hwoarang wrote:
Correct

As stable use flag will pull the stable branch :)


I personally thing that ~arch should pull in zen-stable.git ... the "unstable" zen.git should be keyword masked (no keyword)
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

good, I would not necessarily totally favor a 9999 ebuild.
I think managing a git repository should be done manually if that was the route the user wanted to go.

Otherwise, ebuilds for tagged releases are great!

and i agree, stable release ebuilds should be ~arch, while non-stable release ebuilds should have empty keywords.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree as well. That will open me up to be able to set up zen seeds. That's something I've wanted to do since I started playing with zen-sources. They're the only sources I use on my systems. I think they're the best!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont think I understand you 100%

zen-sources-9999[stable] will pull the stable git tree whilst the [-stable] will pull the unstable

Since both of them are live git snapshots, they wont be marked as ~arch anyway

They wont have keywords and they will be masked

This is what I suggest
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hwoarang wrote:
I dont think I understand you 100%

zen-sources-9999[stable] will pull the stable git tree whilst the [-stable] will pull the unstable

Since both of them are live git snapshots, they wont be marked as ~arch anyway

They wont have keywords and they will be masked

This is what I suggest


Live git snapshots? We (the zen developers) don't want people using "live ebuilds". Ebuilds should be for releases only. If a user wants something newer than a release they should be using git directly.


I guess I will have to make some ebuilds to demonstrate what I mean with the keywords.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rmh3093 wrote:
Hwoarang wrote:
I dont think I understand you 100%

zen-sources-9999[stable] will pull the stable git tree whilst the [-stable] will pull the unstable

Since both of them are live git snapshots, they wont be marked as ~arch anyway

They wont have keywords and they will be masked

This is what I suggest


Live git snapshots? We (the zen developers) don't want people using "live ebuilds". Ebuilds should be for releases only. If a user wants something newer than a release they should be using git directly.


I guess I will have to make some ebuilds to demonstrate what I mean with the keywords.


why not live-ebuilds (-9999) ?

just mask them like the other qt, kde, etc. ebuilds if problems arise they're not supported and should be tracked down by using git

it's still more convenient to have live-ebuilds ... :) (I won't use them)
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about some willing contributors PM me if willing to help contribute zen-sources ebuilds. (If i've never heard of you, I probably won't fully trust you - but many of you guys on the forums I do)

The more people we can get active from the gentoo community, the better.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as dodo1122 doesn't mind that he's been accused of liking men (as if there's something wrong with that), or being depressed, I have no issues whatsoever with the naming conventions for Zen kernel sources. Brain Fuck Scheduling might be seen as offensive, until you realize what a brain fuck it is that your computer is running faster than ever. Watching glibc compile in less than fifteen minutes...that is a brain fuck!

Not only do I look forward to all the new and exciting stuff coming in Zen sources, I also look forward to the names. Yes, I chuckle at them. I even chuckled at the title "dodo1122 likes men".

A word is a word. There are a lot more offensive things under the sun than some "dirty" words. Social injustice, homophobia, war for war's sake and profit, global climate change, and racism are far more offensive to my senses than whether or not BFS means brain-fuck scheduler or beguilingly fast scheduler, or booger fart scheduler.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guys, there is a NEW IRC channel (#zen-sources is moving!)

Formerly was freenode, now it can be found on irc.rizon.net - please join! Thanks!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yay for Zen in portage! Thanks Markos, cheater1034 and everyone around :).
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Live ebuilds is just for convenience. Nobody is forcing you to use them. They are masked and without keywords just like every other git ebuild. It is all about options
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had to mask the ebuilds cause zen-sources are offline right now

( http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-797741-start-25.html )
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Below are the very temporary locations for patches ;)
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Patches for zen are available here:

2.6.32-rc5-zen1
ftp://dodo1122.co.uk/pub/2.6.32-rc5-zen1.patch.lzma (applies to -rc5)

2.6.31-zen4:
ftp://dodo1122.co.uk/pub/2.6.31-zen4.patch.bz2 (applies to .31)

2.6.30-zen9:
ftp://dodo1122.co.uk/pub/2.6.30-zen9.patch.bz2 (applies to .30)


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All ebuilds are available again

Thanks dodo1122
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It may be worth mentioning that this is back in it's overlay form. Make sense why I couldn't find it in the portage tree.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zen-kernel.org is coming online! (there will be no backed up content, it will all need to be re-done, re-written)

And instead of using drupal this time, we chose plone as a cms.

You can register at anytime on zen-kernel.org, git will be up soon and content will slowly restore itself to the website!

We are also going to search for a host for a mailing list.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 1:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We are currently looking for a new logo for zen. If anyone has any proposals or could make something cool, please post it here ;)

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The smiling face of Buddha, perhaps.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hwoarang wrote:
I dont think I understand you 100%

zen-sources-9999[stable] will pull the stable git tree whilst the [-stable] will pull the unstable

Since both of them are live git snapshots, they wont be marked as ~arch anyway

They wont have keywords and they will be masked

This is what I suggest


I know that it's not that big matter, but in my opinion it would be more "kosher" to use [unstable] flag, that stable would be used by default and you need to set "unstable" use flag to get unstable version. (like keywords, you use arch by default and to use unstable you have to add ~arch but not opposite way). i hope u understand me, i have some problems with english and self explanation.
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