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Yamakuzure
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Unbelievable how much energy people invest into moaning about something they get for free... 
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dmpogo
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| ppurka wrote: | | dmpogo wrote: | c) Tooltip info is meaningless - it largely repeats what already menu item in the tree says, often - literally. I hover over 'Colour' and tooltip says 'Colour Settings'. Yeah, useful, given that it blocks from view the next item.
It is such small inconsistencies that leave a feel that that KDE-4 user interface is haphazardly put together. |
Just because you know what that setting does, does not mean that the tooltip is useless. The particular example you cherry-picked is just an example where putting a tooltip does not explain the menu any further. This is in contrast to many other descriptive tooltips. Look at "Style", "Windows", "Window-specific", etc. You feel that the tooltips are redundant probably because you are very familiar with kde, but they are actually very useful for a person not very accustomed to kde. |
When one moves the cursor down the menu, the next item of the menu should not be obscured. This is usablility 101. If you want tooltip - it should be strictly to the right.
About informativity. None of the following I find informative.
Style -------- Allows manipulation of widget behaviour and changing Style for KDE
Colors -------- Color Settings
Icons -------- Customize KDE Icons
Fonts -------- Font Settings
Windows -------- Configure the look and feel of Window titles -> This is plain wrong, what title have to do with it ? Inside I have all type of decorations to
configure, including borders and buttons
Splash Screen ----- Manager for Splash screen
Emoticons ----- Emoticons Themes Manager
What info do they add that is not clear from the menu item name ??? None. Why tools tips have so different linquistic style ? 'Allows' describes the menu item,
'customize' and 'configure' refers to the user actions, 'Manager' - describes the program that will be called.
You can go to another menus, most of the tooltips will be of the type Desktop Effects ----> Configure Desktop Effects, Screen Edges ---> Configure Active Screen Edges. Of course next to it Multiple Desktops ---------- You can configure how many virtual desktops there are. Why is this personal reference suddenly ?
So you get this flashing boxes, with redundant info, obscuring your tree and choice. For me - annoyance (referring to the subject of the thread) |
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energyman76b
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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and then you get people who whine all day long about some very minor thingie, just so they can whine.
Pathetic.
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dmpogo
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| energyman76b wrote: | and then you get people who whine all day long about some very minor thingie, just so they can whine.
Pathetic. |
And some people follow closely the thread titled 'KDE4 annoyances' just to be able to make such judgments. Isn't that pathetic ? |
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cybertronix
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Yamakuzure wrote: | Basically you (all of you cissies) have exactly two options:- Realize that KDE4 is not _your_ DE and that you can not live with it.
--> go and find a DE that suits you! - Realize that you like KDE4 best.
--> fall down on your knees and thank the KDE devs again and again and again as obsequiously as possible because *they* have spend *their* time and energy to provide _you_ with a DE FOR FREE you have absolutely no right to lay claim on in any way!
Sorry for those hard words, but all those cant starts to be really annoying. If you do not feel targeted by this little "micro-rant" than you weren't meant anyway.  |
I would have done 1, except that I have a bunch of superkaramba widgets that I am loathe to give up and they don't play nicely with other DE's anymore. I realize that strictly speaking KDE has no obligation to make sure its software works well outside of a full KDE setup, but KDE 3 did so it's a regression from my perspective.
Your second point is just asinine and that sort of attitude will ensure that Linux never grows beyond a very fringe group of power users. If you never want your software to become anything other than a toy, then sure, hide behind the "it's free" argument, but I'm pretty sure that's not what the KDE team wants.
Ultimately my problems with KDE 4 come down to one thing: plasma. Plasma is too important to KDE 4 for it to be as unstable as it is. 4.3 has actually been a regression in that area for me back nearly to 4.1 standards. It hangs, it crashes, and it loses my configuration settings. And this is not just on one PC - it happens on all three of the systems that I've installed it on. Up until this point I thought KDE 4 was at least headed in the right direction, but the serious regressions I've seen in this release versus the miniscule improvements are making me reconsider. I had hoped that when KDE 3 was phased out of Gentoo 4 would be usable as my primary DE but at this point I'm sorry to say that it isn't. |
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wrc1944
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My biggest problem/gripe is that kde4.x.x has never respected my monitor resolution settings. On reboot, it always reverts to 1280x1024@85Hz, which forces my Gateway EV910 CRT monitor to reduce it's visible output so that the display has a black 3/8 inch border surrounding a normal looking desktop display, with smaller icons, etc.
I have to go into System Settings-->Display, and reset to either 60Hz or 74.9Hz (which the EV910 handles), which then gives me the normal display in the entire viewable screen area.
It doesn't matter if I use an xorg.conf or not. It doesn't matter what xorg.conf options I specify for PreferredMode or DisplaySize, or what edits I make in .kde4 display files. On reboot, it always reverts to 85Hz. This has been happening on all my Gentoo kde4.x.x and kdesvn installs for 2+ years. I've posted about this on several forums, and never found a solution.
It also happens on Arch, Mandriva, and OpenSuSe. All other desktop environments such as Gnome, Xfce4, Icewm, and Kde3.x.x have always displayed the proper screen resolution with no trouble, so I know it's not the xorg.conf settings, or the hardware itself.
Kde-3.x.x always had a "Apply settings on startup" option to check in the display settings, but for some inexplicable reason they removed this in kde4 some time ago.
That seems to be the whole problem- kde4.x.x and only kde-4.x.x mysteriously and stubbornly refuses to maintain the correct display settings for my rather generic CRT monitor, and there seems to as yet be no way to make it do so. 
All I can say is kde4 hates my monitor. 
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ssuominen
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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When it comes to the released version, I'll delete it from my list !
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kde-misc/yawp in portage now. |
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Condex
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| dmpogo wrote: | Oh, forgot other annoyances
11. Window resize is slow and jerky. If choosing framed resize, the frame is drawn incorrectly.
12. When resizing konsole, the size of the konsole in characters appears AFTER one releases the button, not during drag. So I have to guess the size I want blindly, then on a release quickly read it off, then blindly resize again until I guess right. |
11. Are you using the fglrx driver? I'm experiencing the same problem here(ATi 4830). In my notebook (ATi x700) and using the radeon(free) driver, it works flawlessly.
12. Same as 11.
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dmpogo
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Condex wrote: | | dmpogo wrote: | Oh, forgot other annoyances
11. Window resize is slow and jerky. If choosing framed resize, the frame is drawn incorrectly.
12. When resizing konsole, the size of the konsole in characters appears AFTER one releases the button, not during drag. So I have to guess the size I want blindly, then on a release quickly read it off, then blindly resize again until I guess right. |
11. Are you using the fglrx driver? I'm experiencing the same problem here(ATi 4830). In my notebook (ATi x700) and using the radeon(free) driver, it works flawlessly.
12. Same as 11. |
No, nvidia-drivers-180.60 with Geforce 8500 GT card |
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dmpogo
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| Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| ssuominen wrote: | | dmpogo wrote: |
When it comes to the released version, I'll delete it from my list !
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kde-misc/yawp in portage now. |
Thanks ! |
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Yamakuzure
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| cybertronix wrote: | | Your second point is just asinine and that sort of attitude will ensure that Linux never grows beyond a very fringe group of power users. If you never want your software to become anything other than a toy, then sure, hide behind the "it's free" argument, but I'm pretty sure that's not what the KDE team wants. |
No. The KDE Team for sure does like bug reports better then silly wailing about things not even broken.
I do not mean "Accept-everything-because-it's-free", I mean that people might take a look at their attitude. Most rants in this forums are going like "They are all idiots because it does not work for _me_ like I want it out of the box". That's just plain silly. And in most "KDE4-sucks"-rants most points are just people too lazy or too impatient to take a look around and see the very option that changes what they do not like into what they actually want. But hey, the KDE devs are all idiots. Yeah. That's the reason why they created a DE full of technology never seen anywhere else. right.
And then if you really try to help someone like "Oh look, you find this and that option there, that changes what you don't like into what you wanted!", they just start with "Yes, but ... (add something completely ludicrous and far fetched here) ... so it still sucks!".
...sorry but I am just completely flabbergasted by such behavior.
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energyman76b
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| dmpogo wrote: | | Condex wrote: | | dmpogo wrote: | Oh, forgot other annoyances
11. Window resize is slow and jerky. If choosing framed resize, the frame is drawn incorrectly.
12. When resizing konsole, the size of the konsole in characters appears AFTER one releases the button, not during drag. So I have to guess the size I want blindly, then on a release quickly read it off, then blindly resize again until I guess right. |
11. Are you using the fglrx driver? I'm experiencing the same problem here(ATi 4830). In my notebook (ATi x700) and using the radeon(free) driver, it works flawlessly.
12. Same as 11. |
No, nvidia-drivers-180.60 with Geforce 8500 GT card |
same problem. Get either a more actual driver or a patched xorg-server.
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dmpogo
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| energyman76b wrote: | | dmpogo wrote: | Oh, forgot other annoyances
11. Window resize is slow and jerky. If choosing framed resize, the frame is drawn incorrectly.
12. When resizing konsole, the size of the konsole in characters appears AFTER one releases the button, not during drag. So I have to guess the size I want blindly, then on a release quickly read it off, then blindly resize again until I guess right.
nvidia-drivers-180.60 with Geforce 8500 GT card |
same problem. Get either a more actual driver or a patched xorg-server. |
Hm, which versions does one need ? I have xorg-server-1.6.3.901-r2, and at least until recently xorg-server-1.7 had problems with nvidia drivers altogether.
I usually avoid playing with unstable xorg/video drivers, so not up-to-date with their status.
Not to say that on my office desktop, for which I have to also decide what to do with kde3.5, I have an older card and am stuck with 173 series of nvidia-drivers |
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energyman76b
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| dmpogo wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | dmpogo wrote: | Oh, forgot other annoyances
11. Window resize is slow and jerky. If choosing framed resize, the frame is drawn incorrectly.
12. When resizing konsole, the size of the konsole in characters appears AFTER one releases the button, not during drag. So I have to guess the size I want blindly, then on a release quickly read it off, then blindly resize again until I guess right.
nvidia-drivers-180.60 with Geforce 8500 GT card |
same problem. Get either a more actual driver or a patched xorg-server. |
Hm, which versions does one need ? I have xorg-server-1.6.3.901-r2, and at least until recently xorg-server-1.7 had problems with nvidia drivers altogether.
I usually avoid playing with unstable xorg/video drivers, so not up-to-date with their status.
Not to say that on my office desktop, for which I have to also decide what to do with kde3.5, I have an older card and am stuck with 173 series of nvidia-drivers |
try the 185 or 190 drivers from nvidia or install a xorg-server with fedora_dont_backfill_bg_none.patch patch.
You can either do it like this:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?p=5997221#5997221
or you look here:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-789154-start-0-postdays-0-postorder-asc-highlight-.html
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dmpogo
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| Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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| energyman76b wrote: | | dmpogo wrote: | Oh, forgot other annoyances
11. Window resize is slow and jerky. If choosing framed resize, the frame is drawn incorrectly.
12. When resizing konsole, the size of the konsole in characters appears AFTER one releases the button, not during drag. So I have to guess the size I want blindly, then on a release quickly read it off, then blindly resize again until I guess right.
nvidia-drivers-180.60 with Geforce 8500 GT card |
try the 185 or 190 drivers from nvidia or install a xorg-server with fedora_dont_backfill_bg_none.patch patch.
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Tried 190's. Indeed resize is better, although not perfect - there is a flash of white on the right side of window. The frames are still drawn incorrectly (if one uses no content during resize option) but this is some other bug. Resizing konsole indeed shows the terminal size now during the resize, although it disappears when you make a pause in your movement (would have been better if it stayed permanently while the left button is pressed).
So it is a step in the right direction. |
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