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 Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:22 am Post subject: 2012 Election: Maybe the GOP should just sit this one out |
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| Quote: | The Grand Old Party's 2012 presidential pool isn't looking so grand these days.
Add Nevada Sen. John Ensign's and South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford's extramarital affairs to Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal's unconvincing TV speech and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's family dramas, and the Republican presidential herd is thinning fast -- leaving many to wonder who will lead the party in its attempt to reclaim the White House.
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, Virginia Rep. Eric Cantor, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels are the names now being whispered in Republican circles as potential winners -- although observers admit political speculations can change overnight.
"It's way too early to be playing the name game," said Dana Perino, former White House press secretary for President George W. Bush. "I believe it will be a governor," said Nick Ayers, executive director of the Republican Governors Association. Ayers also stressed that it is far too early to make projections, but he said Pawlenty, Jindal and Romney are among the most promising prospects. But, he added, "The list goes on and on."
Ayers said Republicans are well-positioned for a comeback in 2012, but focusing on a candidate short list now is "totally irrelevant to the rebuilding of the party." He added that the nomination could very well go to someone with little name recognition. "When George W. Bush got re-elected in 2004, Barack Obama was a state legislator," Ayers said.
Still, as Republicans continue to battle a Democratic-controlled Congress and White House as well as recent scandals within their own party, talk naturally falls to who will emerge as the GOP nominee. |
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/25/pub-gop-presidential-prospects/?test=latestnews
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| Now might be a good time for Libertarians to play underdog. They match my values better anyway. |
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I was rooting for Sanford, but how about Gary Johnson? From wiki:
| Quote: | In 1999, Johnson became the highest-ranking elected official in the United States to advocate the repeal of drug prohibition. Saying the War on Drugs was "an expensive bust," he advocated the decriminalization of both drug use and possession in order to save money and potentially regulate currently illegal drugs. His position was similar to that of the Libertarian Party in many ways, and led many political observers to believe he would run for political office as a Libertarian in the future.
Under Johnson's administration, New Mexico experienced the longest period without a tax increase in the state's history, the rate of growth in the state government was cut in half, half of the state's prisons were privatized, state Medicaid was shifted to managed care, and the state was left with approximately 1,000 fewer employees (with no firings) and a budget surplus. Johnson vetoed 750 bills (which was more than all the vetoes of the other 49 Governors in the country at that time, combined), which earned him the nickname Gary "Veto" Johnson.
In the 2008 election campaign, Johnson endorsed Ron Paul for the Republican presidential nomination. |
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BoneKracker
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Maybe it's Ralph Nader's year.
Well, we can't vote for Ron Paul, or they'll put us on a terror watch list.
| dmitchell wrote: | | I was rooting for Sanford, but how about Gary Johnson? From wiki: |
Sounds pretty good.
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energyman76b
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how are private jails a good thing?
They are a certain sign for corruption if nothing else.
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| energyman76b wrote: | how are private jails a good thing?
They are a certain sign for corruption if nothing else. |
Maybe people will want to stay out of them. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:57 am Post subject: Re: 2012 Election: Maybe the GOP should just sit this one ou |
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour, Virginia Rep. Eric Cantor, Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels are the names now being whispered in Republican circles as potential winners -- although observers admit political speculations can change overnight. |
Daniels is the only one of these guys I'd ever conceive of voting for. I thought he did a pretty good job as governor back when I lived in Indiana.
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After the Gulf War, George H. W. Bush looked unbeatable, with sky high approval ratings. The Democrats looked like they were out for the count, first tier politicians were not interested in running against Bush. A few years later an unknown governor from a third world state by the name of Bill Clinton was sitting in the Oval Office.
A LOT can happen in three years.
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| energyman76b wrote: | how are private jails a good thing?
They are a certain sign for corruption if nothing else. |
They would probably work quite well. We just need to invent the Intestinator. 
| Quote: | Set in a dystopian future the year 2017, in the USA, the US Army officer John Henry Brennick (Christopher Lambert) and his wife (and possibly US army officer also) Karen S. Brennick (Loryn Locklin) are expecting a second child. Strict one-child policies forbid a second pregnancy, but the couple attempts it anyway because their first child died at child-birth.
Brennick is caught (Karen escapes) and sent to a maximum security prison that is owned and run by a company, rather than the government, called the “MenTel Corporation.”
John Brennick has to deal with an unreasonable environment; he is not allowed to dream in his sleep, and is tortured by a sadistic Prison Director (Kurtwood Smith). His unborn child is now officially owned by the MenTel Corporation (the company seems to use these children to create cyborgs).
Fortunately, Prison Director Poe has an eye on John Brennick’s wife, Karen. John befriends a Computer Geek, D-Day (Jeffrey Combs) who find a way to remove the special “intestinator” chips that are implanted in each prisoner’s intestines, and can cause great pain and even explode when set off by the security system. He also manages to convince his fellow prisoner Abraham (Lincoln Kilpatrick) that Poe will never allow his parole, and is only using it as a carrot on a stick. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortress_%281993_film%29
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If they're serious about winning it needs to be Ron Paul. He's possibly the most honest and consistent politician currently in the Republican party.
If we can actually manager to get Ron Paul elected President in 2012 we may have a shot at taking back the Republic. The GOP is in shambles, I think it's great, hopefully they will realize the errors of their ways, but at this point I doubt it.
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| jdmulloy wrote: | | If they're serious about winning it needs to be Ron Paul. |
Good one. And if the democrats are serious about winning, they should nominate M.C Hammer. |
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inb4 "who?", you old man
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you should change the laws. They they could nominate Arnold.
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Arnold probably wishes he hadn't taken the job he's got right now, much less the presidency.
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o.O umm elections have only just finished with a new president. Give him time todo what is needed. Alot can change in 5years and what seems to be going on in America seems good atm
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o.O umm we are always looking forward to the next one. That's the way it's always been. No president has had a moment's peace without the opposing parties biting at his heels.
Also, don't think for a moment that the Democratic Party isn't already campaigning. I find it interesting, for example, that two of the GOPs potential candidates have been rooted out in sex scandals just within the past two weeks. Ron Paul's name, libertarianism, and conservatism, have been equated with domestic terrorism. Status as a military veteran has been equated to domestic terrorism. ACORN has received untold millions of taxpayer dollars (to work on the census of all things). Even as the economy continues to get worse, the administration is working to create truisms of success (by claiming that it would be even worse if they hadn't done what they've done).  The campaign train has never stopped rolling, with public appearance after public appearance.
Live through a few of these and you begin to see that it's a never-ending battle, not something that happens every four years.
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If the GOP hammers hard about personal responsibility, and cutting back on these enormous government projects that Bush only grew, they'll have a chance. You don't see many GOP candidates calling for that though because really, who wants to give up power.
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I don't see the GOP getting their act together in time for 2012, especially with the PR machine this administration is running and the anti-Bush militants still wandering around wondering who to spit their venom at.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | I don't see the GOP getting their act together in time for 2012, especially with the PR machine this administration is running and the anti-Bush militants still wandering around wondering who to spit their venom at. |
well, the economical clusterfuck is completly Bush's fault.
Don't even start with 'but Clinton' - Bush had years to act and did nothing. Like his dad. Or Reagan, the 'GOP' has shown that they know shit about economics. The democrats can't fuck it up any worse.
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| energyman76b wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | I don't see the GOP getting their act together in time for 2012, especially with the PR machine this administration is running and the anti-Bush militants still wandering around wondering who to spit their venom at. |
well, the economical clusterfuck is completly Bush's fault.. |
Not completely, but I think it's hilarious... absolutely hilarious when I hear these Republicans frothing "why hasn't Obama fixed it yet" and "where's the accountability" and "when is he going to quit blaming the previous administration" when Obama has only been in office for six months.
As far as I'm concerned, not only should Obama keep blaming Bush, but he should have Holder prosecute Bush for being a fucktard.
Well not really, but this Republican rhetoric isn't winning them any new friends, and it's certainly not going to win them the next election.
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| energyman76b wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | I don't see the GOP getting their act together in time for 2012, especially with the PR machine this administration is running and the anti-Bush militants still wandering around wondering who to spit their venom at. |
well, the economical clusterfuck is completly Bush's fault.
Don't even start with 'but Clinton' - Bush had years to act and did nothing. Like his dad. Or Reagan, the 'GOP' has shown that they know shit about economics. The democrats can't fuck it up any worse. |
So I take it you don't read the news that often.
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| energyman76b wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | I don't see the GOP getting their act together in time for 2012, especially with the PR machine this administration is running and the anti-Bush militants still wandering around wondering who to spit their venom at. |
well, the economical clusterfuck is completly Bush's fault.
Don't even start with 'but Clinton' - Bush had years to act and did nothing. Like his dad. Or Reagan, the 'GOP' has shown that they know shit about economics. The democrats can't fuck it up any worse. |
Oh no?
http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=LN_cpsbref3
Also, I like how you're an expert on American economics, when Germany's economy has been in the shitter for how long? When was the last time Germany's unemployment got below 7%. Ever?
The unemployment the U.S. has now (in the middle of the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression) is pretty much normal for Germany isn't it? You typically oscillate around between 9% and 12%, as I recall.  Seems to me, the only time in recent history your unemployment has been relatively low was during the Bush years.
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To paraphrase, its the economy, stupid.
Bush 41 lost re-election due to the economy. Obama will win or lose due to the economy. Obama has the glossy Hollywood appeal advantage in that all he has to do is show "hope" that the economy is recovering, and he'd probably get re-elected.
And as someone else pointed out, any viable nominee isn't always apparent until much closer. Obama was an unknown for a long time. Even when he first appeared on the scene, he didn't really seem like a contender for quite a while.
IIRC, Bush 43 wasn't the likely candidate either, nor was Clinton.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | energyman76b wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | I don't see the GOP getting their act together in time for 2012, especially with the PR machine this administration is running and the anti-Bush militants still wandering around wondering who to spit their venom at. |
well, the economical clusterfuck is completly Bush's fault.
Don't even start with 'but Clinton' - Bush had years to act and did nothing. Like his dad. Or Reagan, the 'GOP' has shown that they know shit about economics. The democrats can't fuck it up any worse. |
Oh no?
http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=LN_cpsbref3
Also, I like how you're an expert on American economics, when Germany's economy has been in the shitter for how long? When was the last time Germany's unemployment got below 7%. Ever?
The unemployment the U.S. has now (in the middle of the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression) is pretty much normal for Germany isn't it? You typically oscillate around between 9% and 12%, as I recall. Seems to me, the only time in recent history your unemployment has been relatively low was during the Bush years. |
you know what? Germany has the stamina to pull 10% unemployment and more. That is economical power. You know exactly why your data looked rosy the last 30 years - the whole world was financing your bubble (that is why you 'won' the arms race with the USSR - we financed your little adventure).
One thing is certain: if you go down the shitter - nobody will be really hurt. There will be some turmoil for a couple of years, but than everybody will have a better life.
If Germany goes down - you don't even have the machines to manufacture your goods. And IC? Forget it - without some very, very needed components produced in big old G and nowhere else there is noone able to produce anymore.
So continue living in your bubble.
The current banking crisis was obvious for insiders in 2002/3. In 2005 it should have been obvious for everybody. And Bush never acted. When his man in the 'lend money form elsewhere to pay for our debts' did everything wrong - he did not act. Resulting in the current mess.
And then you blame Obama. Weak, very, very weak.
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If Germany went tits up, the only people to notice would be like, Belgium.
Oh, and the Russians, because they'd start planning on moving back in and identifying all the offspring they fathered last time.
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