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Naib
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http://lunduke.com/?p=429
thing is he is right
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| Posted: Sat May 02, 2009 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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summary? I couldn't be arsed starting firefox and grabbing my headphones to watch yet another shitty flash video.
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He talks about the shortcommings of desktop linux. Lack of professional applications, lack of full time payed developers for those professional applications and lack of standards for those applications and thus desktop linux will never get anywhere unless all of these issues are adressed.
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| zixnub wrote: | | He talks about the shortcommings of desktop linux. Lack of professional applications, lack of full time payed developers for those professional applications and lack of standards for those applications and thus desktop linux will never get anywhere unless all of these issues are adressed. |
pfft.
And thanks.
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Oh yeah? Well linux now has 1% marketshare! 
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Ugh. He seems to not fully understand the problems he's talking about. 
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| sts wrote: | | Ugh. He seems to not fully understand the problems he's talking about. |
Maybe, but the thing is most users don't give a damn about the minor details, either it works or it doesn't.
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| jdmulloy wrote: | | It's Bryan from the Linux Action Show for those of you who have ever listened to the Linux Action Show podcast. |
You mean the mac user?
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| drizek wrote: | | jdmulloy wrote: | | It's Bryan from the Linux Action Show for those of you who have ever listened to the Linux Action Show podcast. |
You mean the mac user? |
He probably means linux users like myself who have too much work on their hands to be fiddling about stupid linux quirks. If linux wants to be a professional tool, it has to "just work" or at least aspire towards that goal. Which is not what its happening when you have bazillion virgin geeks thinking they are cool cos they are cooking their egg in a nuclear reactor. |
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| PJenssen wrote: | | drizek wrote: | | jdmulloy wrote: | | It's Bryan from the Linux Action Show for those of you who have ever listened to the Linux Action Show podcast. |
You mean the mac user? |
He probably means linux users like myself who have too much work on their hands to be fiddling about stupid linux quirks. If linux wants to be a professional tool, it has to "just work" or at least aspire towards that goal. Which is not what its happening when you have bazillion virgin geeks thinking they are cool cos they are cooking their egg in a nuclear reactor. |
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There was an interesting discussion on deploying commercial apps to *nix on the Stack Overflow podcast episode #50 (transcript | MP3) from about 54 minutes in until about 63 minutes in.
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| drizek wrote: | | jdmulloy wrote: | | It's Bryan from the Linux Action Show for those of you who have ever listened to the Linux Action Show podcast. |
You mean the mac user? |
They were both Mac users. They hate Mac's more because they inherited the admin responsibilities for a mac fan site and they got abused by mactards.
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what was the name of the site again? Was it spymac?
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I disagree with him on the "every distro should use the same package format" point, but he's mostly right.
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| Ya, didn't really disagree with anything, however it probably won't happen. |
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| sts wrote: | | Ugh. He seems to not fully understand the problems he's talking about. |
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I don't know anything about the person, and have only just watched the video now. However, the presenter looks *awfully* similar to a person working at the local Staples branch here... Same height, same hunch, same glasses, and he uses linux. I wonder if it is him....
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| PJenssen wrote: | | drizek wrote: | | jdmulloy wrote: | | It's Bryan from the Linux Action Show for those of you who have ever listened to the Linux Action Show podcast. |
You mean the mac user? |
He probably means linux users like myself who have too much work on their hands to be fiddling about stupid linux quirks. If linux wants to be a professional tool, it has to "just work" or at least aspire towards that goal. Which is not what its happening when you have bazillion virgin geeks thinking they are cool cos they are cooking their egg in a nuclear reactor. |
I haven't watched the video, I don't have time now either. But if people have problems with Linux and don't want to mess with it themselves, there are solutions out there where they can pay very little $$$ to get support. The costs are probably far less than a copy of Vista Ultimate and MS Office Professional combined....
Linux has its advantages too. Where can you go read what the developers of Vista are up to and why they do things? If I have a problem with windows vista, where may I go file and view bugs which are sure to be read by the developers? Here, read about one guy's experiences about trying to file a bug with Microsoft:
http://weblog.timaltman.com/archive/2006/03/22/reporting-bugs-microsoft
...at least with a majority of linux/gnu applications a user can file a bug report and have a chance that someone will read it and fix it. That's far better than the above. Hmm I guess Microsoft does have this: http://connect.microsoft.com/ however I am a bit skeptical...
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| Posted: Sun May 03, 2009 8:44 pm Post subject: Re: Linux Sucks! |
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| Naib wrote: | http://lunduke.com/?p=429
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I haven't watched the video, I don't have time now either. But if people have problems with Linux and don't want to mess with it themselves, there are solutions out there where they can pay very little $$$ to get support. The costs are probably far less than a copy of Vista Ultimate and MS Office Professional combined....
Linux has its advantages too. Where can you go read what the developers of Vista are up to and why they do things? If I have a problem with windows vista, where may I go file and view bugs which are sure to be read by the developers? Here, read about one guy's experiences about trying to file a bug with Microsoft:
http://weblog.timaltman.com/archive/2006/03/22/reporting-bugs-microsoft
...at least with a majority of linux/gnu applications a user can file a bug report and have a chance that someone will read it and fix it. That's far better than the above. Hmm I guess Microsoft does have this: http://connect.microsoft.com/ however I am a bit skeptical... |
Then you should watch the video. He makes good points about professional applications such as Photoshop, AutoCAD, video / sound editing tools and games. None of that what you wrote applies to the above. |
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| davidm wrote: | I haven't watched the video, I don't have time now either. But if people have problems with Linux and don't want to mess with it themselves, there are solutions out there where they can pay very little $$$ to get support. The costs are probably far less than a copy of Vista Ultimate and MS Office Professional combined....
Linux has its advantages too. Where can you go read what the developers of Vista are up to and why they do things? If I have a problem with windows vista, where may I go file and view bugs which are sure to be read by the developers? Here, read about one guy's experiences about trying to file a bug with Microsoft:
http://weblog.timaltman.com/archive/2006/03/22/reporting-bugs-microsoft
...at least with a majority of linux/gnu applications a user can file a bug report and have a chance that someone will read it and fix it. That's far better than the above. Hmm I guess Microsoft does have this: http://connect.microsoft.com/ however I am a bit skeptical... |
Yes, Microsoft's public infrastructure is inconsistant and convolted. But then so is Linux from bottom to top. Sure, freetards have built *some* great development tools, but Joe Public doesn't care about development tools, they care about what they use their computer for, not how they use it. And in that, Linux fails, hard.
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| AidanJT wrote: | | Yes, Microsoft's public infrastructure is inconsistant and convolted. But then so is Linux from bottom to top. Sure, freetards have built *some* great development tools, but Joe Public doesn't care about development tools, they care about what they use their computer for, not how they use it. And in that, Linux fails, hard. |
who cares about joe public? this thread fails hard.
maybe "corporate" developed linux "fails, hard", in terms of producing something "professional" (to you and i guess whoever was in the video).
but the independent hackers have really created something great, just because it doesn't fit your (anyone disparaging linux) perfect definition isn't their problem.
and you call them freetards... |
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| jonnevers wrote: | | who cares about joe public? |
Everyone should, without the support of Joe Public, who's going to pay to support Linux developers?
| jonnevers wrote: | | maybe "corporate" developed linux "fails, hard", in terms of producing something "professional" (to you and i guess whoever was in the video). |
Corporate developed linux fails hard.
Community developed linux fails harder.
| jonnevers wrote: | | but the independent hackers have really created something great |
If "great" means a giant ball of mess, fail, and perpetual brokeness, then yes.
| jonnevers wrote: | | just because it doesn't fit your (anyone disparaging linux) perfect definition isn't their problem. |
Yes, simply dismiss people's issues out of hand. That'll fix things for everyone.
| jonnevers wrote: | | and you call them freetards... |
Could you call GNU zealots anything else?
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| jonnevers wrote: | | AidanJT wrote: | | Yes, Microsoft's public infrastructure is inconsistant and convolted. But then so is Linux from bottom to top. Sure, freetards have built *some* great development tools, but Joe Public doesn't care about development tools, they care about what they use their computer for, not how they use it. And in that, Linux fails, hard. |
who cares about joe public? this thread fails hard.
maybe "corporate" developed linux "fails, hard", in terms of producing something "professional" (to you and i guess whoever was in the video).
but the independent hackers have really created something great, just because it doesn't fit your (anyone disparaging linux) perfect definition isn't their problem.
and you call them freetards... |
Ummm... dude. If it was only up to "independent hackers" you'd still be nmaping windows NT boxes in fvwm and xterm, and thats about the only thing you'd be able to do. It would satisfy about 0.00001% computer users out there, and who would bother then? Everything that made linux great would be just done with BSD instead, and your "independent hackers" could sit in their mothers basements and praise each other on #dalnet in all eternety. |
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