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 Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:26 pm Post subject: How long between upgrades? |
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How long do you generally leave your system between upgrades of @system? If you admin multiple systems, please select the longest period applicable.
There's been some recent discussion between the devs on how old an installation should get and still be upgradeable to the latest stable. (There's a summary of one of the discussions on my blog).
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I do emerge -uDNv @system @world (among other things) nightly...
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | If you admin multiple systems, please select the longest period applicable. |
I opted not to count the longest, since "never" is not a useful interval. 
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More than 6 months!? That's just ridiculous!
I'm afraid of automatic upgrades, but I do it manually as soon
as I notice something to upgrade - at least once a week.
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| Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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| smerf wrote: | More than 6 months!? That's just ridiculous!
I'm afraid of automatic upgrades, but I do it manually as soon
as I notice something to upgrade - at least once a week. |
once I get this other (non-gentoo) system setup, this computer (my main desktop and lan server) will be turning off at night and when I'm away, so I'll have to do it manually again (probably weekly)
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Currently, other than security updates, my server gets upgraded about once every 2 months.
More than 6 months is not that insane. While they're not Gentoo based, my uni will keep the vast majority of all their desktops and servers frozen for an entire year (they only get upgraded over the summer holidays, between academic years).
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| AllenJB wrote: | | More than 6 months is not that insane. |
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I don't want daily use of my workstation disrupted by an unexpected side effect of a superfluous update. Apart from relevant GLSAs I generally ignore package updates until I won't mind some downtime.
Plus, the best way to make older hardware feel old and sluggish is to stuff it full of unnecessary updates.
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For me it is easier to handle lots of small updates - 'side effects' are better isolated and easier to trace. That's just a matter of taste.
| timeBandit wrote: | | Plus, the best way to make older hardware feel old and sluggish is to stuff it full of unnecessary updates. |
Well, depends on what you have installed, sometimes it is the best way to make older hardware perform better - upgrade does not only mean more CPU/MEM hungry eyecandies - new funcionality, fewer bugs (and bugs are not only that security-related). But this is offtopic anyway - we generally agree that upgade is a nice idea - the question was: how often?
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I update 2-3 times a week because you cannot leave a server unpatched and also, 6 months without any upgrade, and your server will be long gone.
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Once a week for me, more often for security upgrades.
I'm with smerf. It's easier to fix problems when you have a small list of what changed between when it worked and when it didn't. |
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I use to update in a chroot daily (not exactly every day), weekly, after verified than there are no problems of linking, i make binaries and update the main server and clients. Is the simplest (and secure) way to update often and not stress myself, i do not care how time is required to build all and the real stop time to update the running sistems will never be more than an hour.
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I'm updating my myth server today. It's easily been 2 years or more. I'll tell you how it goes  |
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| Conditional_Zenith wrote: | Once a week for me, more often for security upgrades.
I'm with smerf. It's easier to fix problems when you have a small list of what changed between when it worked and when it didn't. |
Which is why I do it daily. Most days there is nothing to update, but this way I get the security updates as soon as they are released. And when I do have updates, it is usually just two or three packages. (or less) |
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i dont think i have ever used --deep --newuse since 2001.. heh
even tho i should 
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I update several times a day. As others said, it's easier to isolate problems that way.
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every two weeks, i make fresh install: emerge --ask --deep --newuse -e world
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emerge -auDv --keep-going world every Sunday morning before I go to work.
I have a cron job that syncs the tree a couple of hours before I get up, but like some others I like to see the updates before I do them.
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| AM088 wrote: | | I update several times a day. As others said, it's easier to isolate problems that way. |
If it is on the same machine, then it should get you added to the rsync ban list... |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29, 2009 1:33 am Post subject: Once a day but... |
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Like most people I try to emerge --update --deep world; revdep-rebuild once a day. It is wise to check the update list carefully using --pretend. Major X11 or Gnome updates are notorious for breaking systems. You should refrain from emerging those for a few days and keep an eye on the forums for problems that almost always erupt. It took a week for the maintainers to fix a recent Gnome 2.24 problem that had everyone running XFCE. As unacceptable as it is it is part of life with Gentoo. That said, I like Gnome 2.24 very much. Grub updates are also *very* dangerous. Approach grub with extreme caution. Even if you are carefull, once every few years you will probably decapitate a machine. javascript:emoticon(' ') Make sure to keep good account backups and kernel configs on an external disk.
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| timeBandit wrote: | | AllenJB wrote: | | More than 6 months is not that insane. |
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I don't want daily use of my workstation disrupted by an unexpected side effect of a superfluous update. Apart from relevant GLSAs I generally ignore package updates until I won't mind some downtime.
Plus, the best way to make older hardware feel old and sluggish is to stuff it full of unnecessary updates. |
b.s..... then why even bother w/ gentoo? the whole point it continual update.
a poll where the lowest update interval is ~6months is nonsensical. i mean ~1 week would be a LONG time, reasonable but still a long time
i do it bi-weekly or so. more often if if i think about it.
then there is the idea of just updating system.
i have this alias:
| Code: | | alias eu="time sudo emerge -av1quND @world @system" |
I sync then that. |
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| jonnevers wrote: | | timeBandit wrote: | | Plus, the best way to make older hardware feel old and sluggish is to stuff it full of unnecessary updates. |
b.s..... then why even bother w/ gentoo? the whole point it continual update.
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My web/ftv/dns server is coming up on it's 10th birthday and it gets updated daily.
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granted, I'm not sitting there trying to use gnome/kde, it's a headless machine, but it still runs perfectly fine. The only thing that is noticeably slower on it today compared to 1999, is gcc and that's mostly due to the massive changes between gcc 2.95 and modern day gcc... I mitigate that through distcc and crossdev.
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AllenJB
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b.s..... then why even bother w/ gentoo? the whole point it continual update.
a poll where the lowest update interval is ~6months is nonsensical. i mean ~1 week would be a LONG time, reasonable but still a long time
i do it bi-weekly or so. more often if if i think about it.
then there is the idea of just updating system.
i have this alias:
| Code: | | alias eu="time sudo emerge -av1quND @world @system" |
I sync then that. |
Continual updates are not the point of Gentoo. Flexibility, configurability, up-to-date software availability (note: Just because it's available doesn't mean you have to install it) and ease of getting things done the upstream way are (in my opinion).
Your update command is what's really nonsensical (Why are you one-shotting updates? Why are you asking for emerge to be both verbose and quiet?)
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