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| How long between emerge -uD @system? |
| ~6 months or less |
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| ~12 months |
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| ~18 months |
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| ~2 years |
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yngwin
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| jonnevers wrote: | a poll where the lowest update interval is ~6months is nonsensical. i mean ~1 week would be a LONG time, reasonable but still a long time  |
I agree. For Gentoo the "rolling release" system is essential. I always recommend users to do a full update at least once a month.
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| AllenJB wrote: | | Your update command is what's really nonsensical (Why are you one-shotting updates? Why are you asking for emerge to be both verbose and quiet?) |
the -1 is to keep @system packages out of @world. perhaps its no longer the case but at the introduction of the @sets, @system packages would move over to @world, rendering the division useless. |
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Akkara
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| Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:11 am Post subject: |
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My updates are always with emerge -uaD world. They happen on average every two weeks. More often if there's something interesting going on, and less often during quiet times.
Sometimes, if there's *a lot* of updates, I'll update -uaD1 specific important packages first (such as emerge -uaD1 gcc) so I'm never too far from a consistent system in case something comes up and I need to use the computer, or power off. Then I'll finish with -uaD world, and then revdep-rebuild. |
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Etal
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| Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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| yabbadabbadont wrote: | | AM088 wrote: | | I update several times a day. As others said, it's easier to isolate problems that way. |
If it is on the same machine, then it should get you added to the rsync ban list... |
My bad, I meant week 
I don't update every day 
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| Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Almost every day lately, mainly because I use KDE 4 and thus every upgrade is a step further to a more stable and usable system. But otherwise I'd do it about once a week, because it's difficult to manage many big updates - it's like reinstalling. I can imagine doing an upgrade every say 6 months if I was using say stable Debian but with Gentoo it's imo better to do it more often... |
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monsm
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| Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| jonnevers wrote: | | AllenJB wrote: | | Your update command is what's really nonsensical (Why are you one-shotting updates? Why are you asking for emerge to be both verbose and quiet?) |
the -1 is to keep @system packages out of @world. perhaps its no longer the case but at the introduction of the @sets, @system packages would move over to @world, rendering the division useless. |
By default, 'system' is a subset of 'world'. isn't that right? It's not meaningless then is it. If you just want to update the main packages, run with 'system'. If you want to update all, use 'world'. Would you actually ever update 'world' without first making sure system packages are up to date or being updated at the same time? I would have though not, hence its just as well having system packages both in 'system' and 'world'.
One more thing. I might have missed some change here. Is it a difference between system and @system (i.e. "emerge -DNuv system" and "emerge -DNuv @system")?
Mons
PS! I run emerge -DNuv world every 2-3 weeks |
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jonnevers
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| Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| monsm wrote: | | Would you actually ever update 'world' without first making sure system packages are up to date or being updated at the same time? |
Yes? I personally don't but I can certainly understand the use case for not wanting to update @system when updating @world.
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One more thing. I might have missed some change here. Is it a difference between system and @system (i.e. "emerge -DNuv system" and "emerge -DNuv @system")? |
@system is the new portage set feature version of the old 'system' keyword. afaik, they are logically equivalent.
i found this mailing list post: http://www.mail-archive.com/gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org/msg30108.html
this only applies if you are using portage 2.2+... |
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poly_poly-man
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| Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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I'm pretty sure @system is in @world...
I think it is for me, at least...
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jonnevers
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| Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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| poly_poly-man wrote: | I'm pretty sure @system is in @world...
I think it is for me, at least... |
because its defined that way or because you never did a -1 on @system and things were just put into @world? |
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mv
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| Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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The new portage-2.2 ebuilds put @system into the world_sets during the first upgrade to portage-2.2.
Of course, you can manually remove it. Moreover, you can use | /etc/portage/sets.conf wrote: | [system]
world-candidate = False |
so that "-1" is henceforth automagic for @system. |
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| Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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I definitely like this behavior... just commenting on it.
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