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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:20 am    Post subject: Stop using ~arch if you can't read documentation! (rant) Reply with quote

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I'm losing count of the number of times I've seen basic questions like "the documentation refers to /etc/modules.autoload.d, but this doesn't exist on my machine". Stop using ~arch if you can't, won't or don't know how to read documentation.

Since there seems to have been a fairly significant rise in this recently, I'm beginning to suspect that projects like Funtoo and regen2 ae to blame. They seem intent on merging all overlays into one big repository with the main tree, blurring the lines between stable, testing and experimental and making it impossible to track down who originally created and maintains a given package.

I also highly suspect that, largely due to lack of sufficient clear documentation on what these projects are doing and why, and who should be using them, a lot of newbies / lowbies are using them without realising what they're getting themselves into.

All of this needs to stop! Now!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FULL ACK!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:09 pm    Post subject: Re: Stop using ~arch if you can't read documentation! (rant) Reply with quote

AllenJB wrote:
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I'm losing count of the number of times I've seen basic questions like "the documentation refers to /etc/modules.autoload.d, but this doesn't exist on my machine". Stop using ~arch if you can't, won't or don't know how to read documentation.


You'd be refering to that documentation?

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=7#doc_chap5
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Stop using ~arch if you can't read documentation! (rant) Reply with quote

kronz wrote:
AllenJB wrote:
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I'm losing count of the number of times I've seen basic questions like "the documentation refers to /etc/modules.autoload.d, but this doesn't exist on my machine". Stop using ~arch if you can't, won't or don't know how to read documentation.


You'd be refering to that documentation?

http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=7#doc_chap5


I belive he refers to openrc and baselayout2: click

Anyway how do you learn if you do not try something? :)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Stop using ~arch if you can't read documentation! (rant) Reply with quote

AllenJB wrote:
I'm beginning to suspect that projects like Funtoo and regen2 ae to blame. They seem intent on merging all overlays into one big repository with the main tree, blurring the lines between stable, testing and experimental

i don't know about regen2 but funtoo is completely ~ARCH. no blurring here, you use it you get experimental.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In fact, I saw the other day on the forum a newbie that was installing Gentoo for the first time and Linux and he downloaded a Stage 3 ~amd64 from Funtoo.

So, I agree with you on that.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gento makes it quite difficult to find the relevant kernel; a few weeks back I
spent an hour or so looking for a current kernel, and couldn't find one, though
I think that problem has now been resolved. A clearer explanation on the
main website page of what kernels can be found, and where, would help.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cwr wrote:
Gento makes it quite difficult to find the relevant kernel; a few weeks back I
spent an hour or so looking for a current kernel, and couldn't find one, though
I think that problem has now been resolved. A clearer explanation on the
main website page of what kernels can be found, and where, would help.

Will


Like:
Code:

emerge -s gentoo-sources

?

Or replace gentoo- with the name of the kernel sources you'd like to install. In the kernel session of the handbook, you can even find a link to the list of available kernel sources.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, some new person here think that they can install Gentoo without reading the documentation... That thing is not Ubuntu or Debian :P
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pilla wrote:
cwr wrote:
Gento makes it quite difficult to find the relevant kernel; a few weeks back I
spent an hour or so looking for a current kernel, and couldn't find one, though
I think that problem has now been resolved. A clearer explanation on the
main website page of what kernels can be found, and where, would help.

Will


Like:
Code:

emerge -s gentoo-sources

?

Or replace gentoo- with the name of the kernel sources you'd like to install. In the kernel session of the handbook, you can even find a link to the list of available kernel sources.


AFAIK emerge is available only on Gentoo; no Gentoo, no emerge. You have to find a Gentoo kerne to run emerge
on before you can use it, which is where we came in ...

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cwr wrote:

AFAIK emerge is available only on Gentoo; no Gentoo, no emerge. You have to find a Gentoo kerne to run emerge
on before you can use it, which is where we came in ...

Will


No, you don't need a gentoo kernel to run emerge. You need a working chroot, at least. Why do you want to install a kernel for gentoo if you don't have that yet?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pilla wrote:
cwr wrote:

AFAIK emerge is available only on Gentoo; no Gentoo, no emerge. You have to find a Gentoo kerne to run emerge
on before you can use it, which is where we came in ...

Will


No, you don't need a gentoo kernel to run emerge. You need a working chroot, at least. Why do you want to install a kernel for gentoo if you don't have that yet?


Do you know the actual package name for emerge under Debian? It would make my life
a lot easier if I had that.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cwr wrote:
pilla wrote:
cwr wrote:

AFAIK emerge is available only on Gentoo; no Gentoo, no emerge. You have to find a Gentoo kerne to run emerge
on before you can use it, which is where we came in ...

Will


No, you don't need a gentoo kernel to run emerge. You need a working chroot, at least. Why do you want to install a kernel for gentoo if you don't have that yet?


Do you know the actual package name for emerge under Debian? It would make my life
a lot easier if I had that.

Will

There isn't one.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WTF??? Is all I got to say about this.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gentoo use portage, so if you want to use emerge, then use Gentoo :P
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cwr wrote:

Do you know the actual package name for emerge under Debian? It would make my life
a lot easier if I had that.

Will


If you are running Debian, why do you care about a gentoo kernel? Maybe you should ask this question in a Debian forum. Feel free to post their answer here, as it will be probably quite amusing.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe the Gentoo-sources is faster then a Debian kernel.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gentoo sources are a lot leaner than 90+% most distros
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

d2_racing wrote:
Also, some new person here think that they can install Gentoo without reading the documentation... That thing is not Ubuntu or Debian :P


cwr wrote:

Do you know the actual package name for emerge under Debian? It would make my life
a lot easier if I had that.

Will

i just loved those two xD
especialy the second one
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cwr wrote:

AFAIK emerge is available only on Gentoo; no Gentoo, no emerge. You have to find a Gentoo kerne to run emerge
on before you can use it, which is where we came in ...

Will

didn't saw that before, but this one just killed me for tonight
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