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AllenJB Veteran
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:20 am Post subject: Stop using ~arch if you can't read documentation! (rant) |
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I'm losing count of the number of times I've seen basic questions like "the documentation refers to /etc/modules.autoload.d, but this doesn't exist on my machine". Stop using ~arch if you can't, won't or don't know how to read documentation.
Since there seems to have been a fairly significant rise in this recently, I'm beginning to suspect that projects like Funtoo and regen2 ae to blame. They seem intent on merging all overlays into one big repository with the main tree, blurring the lines between stable, testing and experimental and making it impossible to track down who originally created and maintains a given package.
I also highly suspect that, largely due to lack of sufficient clear documentation on what these projects are doing and why, and who should be using them, a lot of newbies / lowbies are using them without realising what they're getting themselves into.
All of this needs to stop! Now!
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DawgG l33t
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 11:55 am Post subject: |
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FULL ACK! _________________ DUMM KLICKT GUT. |
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kronz n00b
Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 10
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: Stop using ~arch if you can't read documentation! (rant) |
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AllenJB wrote: | <rant>
I'm losing count of the number of times I've seen basic questions like "the documentation refers to /etc/modules.autoload.d, but this doesn't exist on my machine". Stop using ~arch if you can't, won't or don't know how to read documentation.
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You'd be refering to that documentation?
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=7#doc_chap5 |
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disi Veteran
Joined: 28 Nov 2003 Posts: 1354 Location: Out There ...
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Stop using ~arch if you can't read documentation! (rant) |
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kronz wrote: | AllenJB wrote: | <rant>
I'm losing count of the number of times I've seen basic questions like "the documentation refers to /etc/modules.autoload.d, but this doesn't exist on my machine". Stop using ~arch if you can't, won't or don't know how to read documentation.
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You'd be refering to that documentation?
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=7#doc_chap5 |
I belive he refers to openrc and baselayout2: click
Anyway how do you learn if you do not try something? |
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jonnevers Veteran
Joined: 02 Jan 2003 Posts: 1594 Location: Gentoo64 land
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: Stop using ~arch if you can't read documentation! (rant) |
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AllenJB wrote: | I'm beginning to suspect that projects like Funtoo and regen2 ae to blame. They seem intent on merging all overlays into one big repository with the main tree, blurring the lines between stable, testing and experimental |
i don't know about regen2 but funtoo is completely ~ARCH. no blurring here, you use it you get experimental. |
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d2_racing Bodhisattva
Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 13047 Location: Ste-Foy,Canada
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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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In fact, I saw the other day on the forum a newbie that was installing Gentoo for the first time and Linux and he downloaded a Stage 3 ~amd64 from Funtoo.
So, I agree with you on that. |
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cwr Veteran
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:37 pm Post subject: |
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Gento makes it quite difficult to find the relevant kernel; a few weeks back I
spent an hour or so looking for a current kernel, and couldn't find one, though
I think that problem has now been resolved. A clearer explanation on the
main website page of what kernels can be found, and where, would help.
Will |
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pilla Bodhisattva
Joined: 07 Aug 2002 Posts: 7729 Location: Underworld
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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cwr wrote: | Gento makes it quite difficult to find the relevant kernel; a few weeks back I
spent an hour or so looking for a current kernel, and couldn't find one, though
I think that problem has now been resolved. A clearer explanation on the
main website page of what kernels can be found, and where, would help.
Will |
Like:
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emerge -s gentoo-sources
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Or replace gentoo- with the name of the kernel sources you'd like to install. In the kernel session of the handbook, you can even find a link to the list of available kernel sources. _________________ "I'm just very selective about the reality I choose to accept." -- Calvin |
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d2_racing Bodhisattva
Joined: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 13047 Location: Ste-Foy,Canada
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Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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Also, some new person here think that they can install Gentoo without reading the documentation... That thing is not Ubuntu or Debian |
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cwr Veteran
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 11:51 am Post subject: |
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pilla wrote: | cwr wrote: | Gento makes it quite difficult to find the relevant kernel; a few weeks back I
spent an hour or so looking for a current kernel, and couldn't find one, though
I think that problem has now been resolved. A clearer explanation on the
main website page of what kernels can be found, and where, would help.
Will |
Like:
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emerge -s gentoo-sources
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Or replace gentoo- with the name of the kernel sources you'd like to install. In the kernel session of the handbook, you can even find a link to the list of available kernel sources. |
AFAIK emerge is available only on Gentoo; no Gentoo, no emerge. You have to find a Gentoo kerne to run emerge
on before you can use it, which is where we came in ...
Will |
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pilla Bodhisattva
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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2009 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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cwr wrote: |
AFAIK emerge is available only on Gentoo; no Gentoo, no emerge. You have to find a Gentoo kerne to run emerge
on before you can use it, which is where we came in ...
Will |
No, you don't need a gentoo kernel to run emerge. You need a working chroot, at least. Why do you want to install a kernel for gentoo if you don't have that yet? _________________ "I'm just very selective about the reality I choose to accept." -- Calvin |
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cwr Veteran
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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pilla wrote: | cwr wrote: |
AFAIK emerge is available only on Gentoo; no Gentoo, no emerge. You have to find a Gentoo kerne to run emerge
on before you can use it, which is where we came in ...
Will |
No, you don't need a gentoo kernel to run emerge. You need a working chroot, at least. Why do you want to install a kernel for gentoo if you don't have that yet? |
Do you know the actual package name for emerge under Debian? It would make my life
a lot easier if I had that.
Will |
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dreadlorde Apprentice
Joined: 16 Dec 2008 Posts: 243 Location: /adm/timezone/US_Michigan
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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cwr wrote: | pilla wrote: | cwr wrote: |
AFAIK emerge is available only on Gentoo; no Gentoo, no emerge. You have to find a Gentoo kerne to run emerge
on before you can use it, which is where we came in ...
Will |
No, you don't need a gentoo kernel to run emerge. You need a working chroot, at least. Why do you want to install a kernel for gentoo if you don't have that yet? |
Do you know the actual package name for emerge under Debian? It would make my life
a lot easier if I had that.
Will |
There isn't one.
... _________________ Ludwig von Mises Institute Quote: | I am not to be a shepherd, I am not to be a grave-digger. No longer will I speak to the people; for the last time I have spoken to the dead. |
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kronz n00b
Joined: 20 Jan 2009 Posts: 10
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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WTF??? Is all I got to say about this. |
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d2_racing Bodhisattva
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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Gentoo use portage, so if you want to use emerge, then use Gentoo |
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pilla Bodhisattva
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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cwr wrote: |
Do you know the actual package name for emerge under Debian? It would make my life
a lot easier if I had that.
Will |
If you are running Debian, why do you care about a gentoo kernel? Maybe you should ask this question in a Debian forum. Feel free to post their answer here, as it will be probably quite amusing. _________________ "I'm just very selective about the reality I choose to accept." -- Calvin |
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d2_racing Bodhisattva
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Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe the Gentoo-sources is faster then a Debian kernel. |
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djdunn l33t
Joined: 26 Dec 2004 Posts: 810
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:29 am Post subject: |
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gentoo sources are a lot leaner than 90+% most distros _________________ “Music is a moral law. It gives a soul to the Universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination, a charm to sadness, gaiety and life to everything. It is the essence of order, and leads to all that is good and just and beautiful.”
― Plato |
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tgR10 Apprentice
Joined: 23 Oct 2007 Posts: 262 Location: caly ten ambaras
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Posted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:43 am Post subject: |
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d2_racing wrote: | Also, some new person here think that they can install Gentoo without reading the documentation... That thing is not Ubuntu or Debian :P |
cwr wrote: |
Do you know the actual package name for emerge under Debian? It would make my life
a lot easier if I had that.
Will |
i just loved those two xD
especialy the second one
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cwr wrote: |
AFAIK emerge is available only on Gentoo; no Gentoo, no emerge. You have to find a Gentoo kerne to run emerge
on before you can use it, which is where we came in ...
Will |
didn't saw that before, but this one just killed me for tonight _________________ "bo kto ma racje ? ten kto z bliska zobaczy"
"moge nie wiedziec,wchlaniam niewiedze z malych torebek"
http://i12.tinypic.com/4pow0mu.png
http://userbar.tgr.debil.eu/userbar.jpg |
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