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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 4:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I suspect we could probably get it completely right next time (especially since this was the first real GRP release), but my heart's really just not in it anymore. I may stay on as strategic lead for a while and offer ideas to whoever picks it up, but I'm not really up for being directly involved with another release. Two is enough for me...
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 4:27 am    Post subject: Same problem with "Cannot find kernel..." Reply with quote

Hey, guys and gals...

I did the fix as listed above for /usr/sbin/genkernel and ran the genkernel gentoo-sources command, and I'm also getting the error:

Code:
Cannot find kernel NAME /tmp/KV
: aborting


Any help? I won't be able to DL the newer CD1 for i686 for at least a week, as I'm dialed up while out of state, on vacation! There's got to be a fix for this... :?

Thanks!!!

BTW: I'm using the i686 CD1&2 date-stamped 20030731 (I believe, but definitely not the 0803 disc), but currently attempting to install on an Athlon XP 1800+ system; I've left the CHOST info at i686 per the guide...


EDIT: Well, I guess there IS a fix... make menuconfig is still there! :lol:
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree.

You've sat here for almost 24 hours now trying to help the GRP installers work around their problems. As far I can tell, the new ISO should get things working just fine. You've been a tremendous assistance, to me and everyone else having trouble.

If the Gentoo orders get pushed back, so be it; Gentoo isn't the first company to do it, and itwon't be the last. Better that things get delayed than your customers get defective material that sours their opinions towards Gentoo. This is good experience for the next release.

Please reconsider your resignation; the Gentoo project and all its users could really use your expertise.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the positive feedback - I really appreciate it.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I may make a suggestion for the next release (if you, regrettably, decide not to be involved in the next release, please pass this on):

It may be beneficial to automate the beginnings of the installation process for Gentoo. Let the user boot off the disc, and proceed like the following:

Gentoo Installation Menu

1) Stage 1 Installation
2) Stage 2 Installation
3) Stage 3 Installation
4) Gentoo Reference Platform Installation

After each option, provide menus for fdisk, formatting, and mounting, then (if 1, 2, or 3 is selected) allow the Stage installs to proceed as normal.

If GRP is selected, proceed with menu-based installation options. This doesn't need to be fancy (a menu setup not unlike Slackware's would work well).

Again, this is just a suggestion. I hope that maybe this will give some of the Gentoo developers a few ideas to kick around.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I swear I didn't read this thread before I posted my earlier thread but that was exactly my theory.

But it is an easy mistake to make, especially if you have the habit of hitting TAB. i.e. cd /m[tab]/ge[tab]......pa[tab] (it will throw in the trailing slash)

avenj wrote:
Jeez, I've had quite a night of incorrect theories.

Turns out it's the worst kind of bug - a documentation bug.

Instead of:

cp -a /mnt/cdrom/packages/* /mnt/gentoo/usr/portage/packages/

it should have been:

cp -a /mnt/cdrom/packages /mnt/gentoo/usr/portage/packages

Fixed install doc is in CVS and wil hit the website soon.

For people who already have this problem:
cd /usr/portage/packages
mkdir All
mv *tbz2 All/

then try proceeding with merging the kernel as per the install guide.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 12:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spacejunk... I believe there is a project in the works for an installation program for gentoo.. although I might be wrong
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That would be helpful, or at least a script that you can run such as stage1.sh stage2.sh or stage3.sh
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can write something like that.. a simple script... do you want one?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure! If this install works out, I might be converting a rh9 system over to gentoo. I'm just doing stage3 because of the precompiled binaries.

I'm glad scp works, I can just copy it over and run it.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got the i686-1.4-20030803-cd1.iso from the UK mirror site, followed the install guide until genkernel gentoo-sources, I've still got the error where it is trying to download off the internet.

/usr/portage/packages/ALL is populated with the sources.

Something is still broken here.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

echo6 wrote:
I got the i686-1.4-20030803-cd1.iso from the UK mirror site, followed the install guide until genkernel gentoo-sources, I've still got the error where it is trying to download off the internet.

/usr/portage/packages/ALL is populated with the sources.

Something is still broken here.


Pay attention to datestamps - it's the 20030806 cd that's fixed.

Check oregonstate.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the new 20030806 ISO; it's still calling out to the internet because it's still looking for genkernel 1.2.

The portage directory has no entry for genkernel 1.5; just 1.0, 1.1, and 1.2.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2003 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I solved this issue by downloading the genkernel-1.5 ebuild to my USB key, and copying it to the genkernel folder under /usr/portage/sys-kernel/genkernel.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spacejunk wrote:
I have the new 20030806 ISO; it's still calling out to the internet because it's still looking for genkernel 1.2.

The portage directory has no entry for genkernel 1.5; just 1.0, 1.1, and 1.2.


Wow, that's weird. I know I fixed it...

Hmm...

Fresh x86 ISOs will be ready tonight or tomorrow morning (this build is taking forever...) at any rate, and those should fix all of the outstanding bugs.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
this build is taking forever


Spoken like a true developer! :lol: Reminds me of an article on MS I read about the development of Windows. Every night they would commit changes to their cvs and begin a build. It would be done 24 hours later. Over the years the computers got faster yet no matter what, the windows builds always took 24 hours.

So basically the next day they would begin adding more code, but wouldn't know yesterday's results until the end of the day.

Kinda like for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Computers got faster, and MS bloated the OS in proportion. Microsoft and Moore's law were yin and yang.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also could not install GNOME (file roller was missing from Disc 2)

Also, my CDROM refused to unmount.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are still "booted" from the first cd, it won't let you eject because the real root fs is still active. You'll probably have to boot from the HD and then insert disc 2.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did.

I was booted running Gentoo, and the CD refused to unmount.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

umount /mnt/cdrom
eject

should get it out. Does umount give you an error, or complain that the drive is busy?

You might have to power down and hit the eject button before the system begins booting.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it does complain.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the drive is busy because i think it booted from it rather than your hd.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

couldn't have; the drive was empty.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Problem solved then. You got your disc out.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No:

I turned the computer on, with the drive empty, and logged in. I then put a cd into the drive, and mounted it. I installed what I needed to, then I tried to unmount. It wouldn't unmount, even though I closed down everything that had been accessing the drive.
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