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NeddySeagoon
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 Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 12:28 pm Post subject: [Announce] First Bugday of 2009 !!! |
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The first BugDay of 2009 is Saturday 3rd January.
Join us in #gentoo-bugs on irc.freenode.net to help squash some bugs and meet up with fellow users and developers.
Read all about it here There are bugs suitable for all ages, abilities and interests.
Your distro needs you. Just come along and chat to find out what goes on.
Its a good way to find out about helping out.
We welcome your suggestions to help make bugday more interesting, productive, easier and so on, please don't be shy about joining in.
Just come along and wish everyone happy new year.
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Xanadu
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| Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Even in the event that there no "official" monthly announcement here on the front page, is there *any* way to look and see what's going on behind the scenes? I'm no developer, but I absolutely love using Gentoo. I find myself so detached from the community if I don't see the folks from the "inside" posting stuff here.
Ya know, like what's the status of the new portage? I've been using sys-apps/portage-2.2_rc* (currently 23) but I don't know where the project is heading. What about a new baselayout, or the new bash-less init scripts? Where do all these stand?
I dunno. I probably shouldn't even bother posting this. I mean, this thing on the front page has been here close to a month, and this is the only reply. Am I being out of line in saying / asking these types of things? I've been using Gentoo quite a while (check my join date here - I started using it in testing installs in the early summer of 2002). I don't want to see the project turn to dust, but...
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NeddySeagoon
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:32 am Post subject: |
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Xanadu,
Most of the developer discussions happen on the gentoo-dev mailing list rather than the forums. Thats public technical list.
You can also lurk in #gentoo-dev on freenode. The channel is moderated you you will not be able to speak there.
The gentoo-project mailing list is used for meta/political discussions, so there are a few ways of keeping in touch.
Only a few developers are active on the forums.
The GMN was published by a small number of developers who are all busy with real life at the same time.
I'm not sure whats happened with the front page but its probably something similar. Gentoo is a totally volunteer distro, which means that real life always comes first.
Baselayout2 is working well, I've been using it on ~x86 and ~sparc for about 18 months.
If you decide to give it a try, be sure to follow the update guide or your system will not boot.
Its always worth while posting, you won't get answers any other way.
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Xanadu
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:55 am Post subject: |
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| NeddySeagoon wrote: | Xanadu,
Most of the developer discussions happen on the gentoo-dev mailing list rather than the forums. That's public technical list.
You can also lurk in #gentoo-dev on freenode. The channel is moderated you you will not be able to speak there.
The gentoo-project mailing list is used for meta/political discussions, so there are a few ways of keeping in touch.
Only a few developers are active on the forums. |
OK, cool. Thank you for the direction. I think I'll start checking that stuff out. I just am feeling "Out-Of-Touch" with the community that drew me into FOSS and Gentoo in particular.
| NeddySeagoon wrote: | The GMN was published by a small number of developers who are all busy with real life at the same time.
I'm not sure whats happened with the front page but its probably something similar. Gentoo is a totally volunteer distro, which means that real life always comes first. |
I *hope* I didn't come off as "complaining" or something. I am 100% aware that Real Life (tm) comes first and would never think different about the folks that bust their rumps putting all the work they do into Gentoo (or KDE, or the Kernel, etc.).
| NeddySeagoon wrote: | Baselayout2 is working well, I've been using it on ~x86 and ~sparc for about 18 months.
If you decide to give it a try, be sure to follow the update guide or your system will not boot. |
I have read the guide a time or two. Not anytime too recently though, I must admit. I guess I could always setup a quick test VM (with the new-fangled Stage-3 builds!!) and see how things go before sacrificing my machines. 
| NeddySeagoon wrote: | | Its always worth while posting, you won't get answers any other way. |
Wise words and point made!
Thank you for the reply. I was just feeling kinda lonely out here while I was syncing and watching my portage tree update and thinking I wonder what decision went into deleting (insert name) ebuild was deleted or added or whatever. I noticed the freebsd build fly by (not that this was my first time seeing them, I just noticed them) and was thinking about all the people's hard work that went into getting all that running in a Gentoo environment.
I dunno. Again, thank you. I don't feel so alone now! 
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AllenJB
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| NeddySeagoon wrote: | | I'm not sure whats happened with the front page but its probably something similar. Gentoo is a totally volunteer distro, which means that real life always comes first. |
The problem with the front page is that the PR team don't seem to think anything is actually "news worthy". I proposed an announcement about the change in default action of "emerge world" with Portage 2.1.6 along with the other new features like automatic blocker resolving - apparently that's not news worthy.
There are also pending press releases which are being held up while developers find time to write them. I'm not sure exactly how long it takes to write 2-4 paragraphs, but I wrote this post inside of 5 minutes.
One of these press releases is currently holding up adoption of the new sidebar menu and front page - currently viewable at http://www.gentoo.org/index2.xml
There's another press release currently pending for the official deprecation of the GLI, and what the developers think should happen next. This is an announcement I am looking forward to. Such announcements help the community to see where the developers think Gentoo is going.
The Gentoo developers need to remember that they have users, and that a little bit of communication can go a long way. These changes may seem trivial to them, but to many users I don't think they are.
Unfortunately I don't have the time right now to become a full developer, but it worries me how much I'll be able to get done towards better communication with the community when I do find the time if none of the other developers cares enough to take 30 minutes to write a press release.
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| Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| AllenJB wrote: | | NeddySeagoon wrote: | | I'm not sure whats happened with the front page but its probably something similar. Gentoo is a totally volunteer distro, which means that real life always comes first. |
The problem with the front page is that the PR team don't seem to think anything is actually "news worthy". I proposed an announcement about the change in default action of "emerge world" with Portage 2.1.6 along with the other new features like automatic blocker resolving - apparently that's not news worthy.
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I don't really think it's a matter of devs not writing announcements, more like the PR team not publishing them. I have two announcements on their queue(eapi 2 being released in portage and eapi 2 being usable in the stable tree.) They've been on that queue for quite a while too.
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yngwin
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So let's get this onto the agenda for the next Council meeting. We really need more (active) people in the PR team. I agree it is unfortunate that the frontpage of www.gentoo.org is lacking activity, as it is the first place many people would look. The proposal for the new frontpage is a major step in the right direction.
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