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thrasher6670 Apprentice


Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 269 Location: London, Ontario
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: Gentoo-Wiki redux discussion |
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When I originally made gentoo-wiki.com I had never used mediawiki before and now that I am forced to restart from scratch I am going to fix some of those mistakes, and change the base structure of the website. I am currently working on setting up a test wiki so that we can explore some of these options and get everything setup just right.
I'll post back when the scratch wiki is up and i'll take suggestions for structure. If you have any suggestions right now feel free to post.
Stuck by NeddySeagoon
Unstuck 7 Jan 2010. --timeBandit _________________ Gentoo-Portage.com - Where the portage meets the web
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thrasher6670 Apprentice


Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 269 Location: London, Ontario
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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http://scratch.gentoo-wiki.com is setup and ready to go, taking suggestions now so that they can be tested. catch me here or on IRC #gentoo-wiki on efnet. I'm hoping to have everything setup late tonight or early tomorrow morning. _________________ Gentoo-Portage.com - Where the portage meets the web
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spikes n00b

Joined: 25 Oct 2008 Posts: 3
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
it would be nice, if possible to have some form of recognition for quality postings etc. maybe a voting system if you find a wiki page helpfull. |
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kernelOfTruth Watchman


Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 5345 Location: Vienna, Austria; Germany; hello world :)
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| spikes wrote: | Hi,
it would be nice, if possible to have some form of recognition for quality postings etc. maybe a voting system if you find a wiki page helpfull. |
this is a point in the right direction
imo it would be even better to vote "needs still work but things are accurate", "applying this can break your system", "excellent" (something like a traffic lights voting system)
thanks, btw for your hard work, Mike
gentoo-wiki.com and gentoo-portage.com have been invaluable aides when dealing with gentoo and/or linux in general  _________________ Unofficial minimal livecd x86/amd64 w/reiser4+truecrypt (by Neo2)
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thrasher6670 Apprentice


Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 269 Location: London, Ontario
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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Figuring out any namespaces on teh IRC channel right now, so far we have the "Index" namespace so far. any other suggestons? _________________ Gentoo-Portage.com - Where the portage meets the web
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AllenJB Veteran


Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 1282 Location: Ashford, Kent
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thrasher6670 Apprentice


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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| AllenJB wrote: | | I don't think a voting system would work on a wiki. How do you account for changes to the article? (A change could be a minor correction or a major rewrite) |
It's a good idea and we can make a template to allow for this in the future, I've seen a good base one one mediawiki we can use. _________________ Gentoo-Portage.com - Where the portage meets the web
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thrasher6670 Apprentice


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yngwin Developer


Joined: 19 Dec 2002 Posts: 4219 Location: Suzhou, China
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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That's good news, that the wiki is back! I think you are making the right decision with implementing structural changes based on lessons learnt, now that you start more or less from scratch.
| thrasher6670 wrote: | | on IRC #gentoo-wiki on efnet. |
Why efnet when practically every other Gentoo related channel is on Freenode?
Anyway, I would like to help, especially in areas of structure, categorization, templates, spellchecking and other such editorial tasks. _________________ "Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves." - Abraham Lincoln
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thrasher6670 Apprentice


Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 269 Location: London, Ontario
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| yngwin wrote: | That's good news, that the wiki is back! I think you are making the right decision with implementing structural changes based on lessons learnt, now that you start more or less from scratch.
| thrasher6670 wrote: | | on IRC #gentoo-wiki on efnet. |
Why efnet when practically every other Gentoo related channel is on Freenode?
Anyway, I would like to help, especially in areas of structure, categorization, templates, spellchecking and other such editorial tasks. |
i'll setup a freenode one later, just been hanging out on the Efnet #gentoo for years  _________________ Gentoo-Portage.com - Where the portage meets the web
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pjv Guru


Joined: 02 Jul 2003 Posts: 352 Location: Belgium
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Do I understand correctly that no real information has been lost, only the wiki configs? Please reassure me. That would be terrible, all this effort... All those hours of work and such a large amount of knowledge... Maybe Gentoo should step forward at this point (I know they've always said the wiki wasn't official) and team up with Mike to improve and secure things? |
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cheater512 Tux's lil' helper

Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 145 Location: Australia
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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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pjv all the information was lost.
I have managed to recover basically everything though, but there are no histories or anything like that so its still best to start over.
Head over here if you need a wiki page: http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/ |
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flarets n00b

Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 6
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Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:29 am Post subject: |
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it's quite amazing to see this community pulling together.
is there a gentoo-portage thread like this? with regards to commenting/uploading photos etc, could the internet archive be useful?
http://web.archive.org/web/20080209114039/gentoo-portage.com/Browse
A feedback or priority system that shows what still needs doing would also allow people to focus their effort - just a thought.
P.S. I really like the idea of using twitter as a changelog |
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johnm1019 n00b

Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 23
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: content scraping |
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any thoughts on writing a script to scrape from the google cache of the wiki?
maybe use that to update what you already have for the missing entries.......  |
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deface Apprentice


Joined: 17 Mar 2007 Posts: 205
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: content scraping |
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| johnm1019 wrote: | any thoughts on writing a script to scrape from the google cache of the wiki?
maybe use that to update what you already have for the missing entries.......  |
We'd rather not import the old site or data. If you would like to use the old wiki - http://www.gentoo-wiki.info - it is read-only; but is up for
now as an archive site. (Thanks to Cheater512) _________________ --
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spikes n00b

Joined: 25 Oct 2008 Posts: 3
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:33 am Post subject: |
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just noticed a glaring error, on http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Help:IRC
down the bottom it mentions appealing against disciplinary action. and the email address used is help@crayola.com why would emails need to be sent to a colouring pencil company??
| Quote: | If discplinary measures are taken and the affected person wishes to appeal, appeals should be addressed to the help@crayola.com via email.
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deface Apprentice


Joined: 17 Mar 2007 Posts: 205
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:35 am Post subject: |
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| spikes wrote: | just noticed a glaring error, on http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Help:IRC
down the bottom it mentions appealing against disciplinary action. and the email address used is help@crayola.com why would emails need to be sent to a colouring pencil company??
| Quote: | If discplinary measures are taken and the affected person wishes to appeal, appeals should be addressed to the help@crayola.com via email.
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nope, not written in error. point being - if you want to appeal, oh well. _________________ --
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spikes n00b

Joined: 25 Oct 2008 Posts: 3
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| bad form imo, encouraging spam to a company.... |
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cheater512 Tux's lil' helper

Joined: 03 Nov 2003 Posts: 145 Location: Australia
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: |
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'Immature' and 'Childish' come to mind.  |
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thrasher6670 Apprentice


Joined: 04 Aug 2003 Posts: 269 Location: London, Ontario
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| spikes wrote: | just noticed a glaring error, on http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Help:IRC
down the bottom it mentions appealing against disciplinary action. and the email address used is help@crayola.com why would emails need to be sent to a colouring pencil company??
| Quote: | If discplinary measures are taken and the affected person wishes to appeal, appeals should be addressed to the help@crayola.com via email.
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thats what AllenJB for copy/pasting from somewhere else. _________________ Gentoo-Portage.com - Where the portage meets the web
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AllenJB Veteran


Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 1282 Location: Ashford, Kent
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X-dark n00b


Joined: 29 Sep 2008 Posts: 24 Location: Waterloo, ON, Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| I have just seen that you are looking for foreign language admin. I'm french so if you need someone for that language just tell me I would be glad to help. |
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motosauro Tux's lil' helper


Joined: 23 Nov 2005 Posts: 75 Location: Verona, Italy
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| X-dark wrote: | | I have just seen that you are looking for foreign language admin. I'm french so if you need someone for that language just tell me I would be glad to help. |
I enlist for the Italian language  _________________ Per aspera ad astra
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steveL Veteran

Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 1441 Location: The Peanut Gallery
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Would it be possible to have registered users (similar to forum users)? Even the C wiki now requires login to edit (though if you know a bit of C you can login based on /topic ##c.) I think that would make things a lot better, especially wrt quality of material; people like AllenJB should have a bit more say imo.
Just a suggestion, thanks for the wiki. |
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aidanjt Veteran


Joined: 20 Feb 2005 Posts: 1096 Location: Rep. of Ireland
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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Mediawiki can require authentication for editing with the right configuration as well. _________________
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