[NEWS] New release strategy to provide more current media

LilFox · n00b Joined: 11 Aug 2008 Posts: 3 Location: P-K, Russia

Hi there

. So, i hope a lot of people will be interest to help gentoo return its power and glory. So i'm searching for some kind of manuals of ebuild's creation and commition. Not especially how to create, but commit them, tracking information about them and fixing bugs.

Is there possible?
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d2_racing · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:39 am Post subject:

You should read this :

http://devmanual.gentoo.org/
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/handbook/handbook.xml

8mihi · n00b Joined: 29 Sep 2006 Posts: 24

first, want to add as others have, good idea to lessen focus on the 'big' live install, and install media in general, imho.

second, reading some of the posts, a newcomer would be confused, but let's get it straight (again), for the record:

A Gentoo CD (minimal or otherwise) is not required to install Gentoo.

It takes a few minimal installs to sort of get this fact, but eventually one sees that you only need a generic boot agent to get Gentoo installed.

Really, Knoppix, SystemrescueCD (my pers fav), Pentoo, or heck, even a Live Ubuntu disk or almost any decently tooled GNU/Linux boot disk (with network) can assist in getting Gentoo installed. Again, I post this more for newcomers, to help them understand that a Gentoo install is less about having a specific Gentoo disk to install from than it is reading and following a recipe on how to get it installed. Seriously, I've always viewed a Gentoo install as something of a well written recipe (in keeping with the Meta theme which runs through Gentoo). Kudos to the handbook maintainers !

d2_racing · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:08 am Post subject:

Also, do you think that 2 projects will produce 2 almost identical Stages and Snapshot ?

Why not colaborate with Funtoo.org.

In fact, DR can produce Stages and Snapshot by his own.

Any comments on that ?

yngwin

nyowe · n00b Joined: 13 Mar 2004 Posts: 30

Nice decision! To me this means a return to Gentoo's former glory

ilborg · n00b Joined: 02 Mar 2008 Posts: 42 Location: Finland

I did my last install from old tinyme live-cd and it worked well

If you wan't live-cd then you can use some other distribution media I think. Then you can read gentoo manual with normal graphical web browser same time installing gentoo. Ususally when I install some harder distro I just make sure that there is a way to use the internet in the process(another computer or live-cd).

There could be couple of ways to make installer a bit easier though. One way would be to make some kind of text based script which tells you when to do what. It would give you some hints and help so you wouldn't have to look manuals at basic install. Another system could be some kind of text based wizard like xconfigure(if I remember the command right). Or it could be something between: wizard asks you do what do you want to do and there is allways an option to use command line.

Another way to think a helper for installation is to put minimal xorg to the installation medium with net browser(with gentoo manual) and terminal. Xorg would of course use vesa driver only, because I think that nowadays all graphic cards support it and have supported for a while.

Live cd's are not very important because they are slow for normal use and you can try distro better your computer with virtualization. If you wan't to make your pc to work without hard drive I think better way to do it is to use usb pendrive and put your own system there. Community based live systems could be useful though.

node_one · Apprentice Joined: 07 Apr 2008 Posts: 165

kernelOfTruth · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject:

fukas · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject:

Gentoo is a really nice(or let's say, if not the best of the best, but one of the BEST distroes). As for me - I don't think it really needs some annual live-cd's. Gentoo is painlessly instlalled via any existing live-cd(Ubuntu, sys-resc-cd, etc). But, of course, a kind of "prestige" is lost through using others distroes for first install. But anyway, I'm always glad to help in development and new ebuilds( /me is quite familiar with bash and python, so able to do tasks with portage). If I can help in anyway, I'd always like to do that. I can be always contacted via email (fukazzz [at] gmail.com) or jabber (fukazzz[at]jabber.ru). Now. of course, I'm trying to learn the "development system", but quite a noobe, and good guidness would be appriciated.

wbr, Dmitriy.

technosaurus · n00b Joined: 24 Sep 2008 Posts: 1

my only recommendation is that at least wireless and preferably dsl and dialup support be added to the minimal install cd

then we wouldn't even need the live cd if there was a "meta-package" that encompassed all the livecd stuff as "default programs"

d2_racing · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:23 am Post subject:

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kernelOfTruth · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:52 am Post subject:

Januszzz · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:49 am Post subject:

IMO current minimal cd is enough for almost all new servers; it sometimes failed to boot on some weird notebooks etc.

Its never a problem, but the only thing that matters is - like others say - reputation.

Look at Debian - IMO they are not very up2date with their site, also have some pitfalls in their distro, had severe bug with modified OpenSSL... still they do have regular release (no matter that it is, when it is ready). Rock solid, you can count on Debian.

I use Gentoo everywhere because I like to (flexibility, all that stuff that everyone says they like Gentoo for...), but honestly - I trust others more :-)

my heart is bleeding saying this :-)

EDIT: so I accept the strategy, I'm rather positive about it, I'm positive about every positive move :-)

dberkholz · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject:

GODhack · Guru Joined: 26 Jan 2008 Posts: 389 Location: Lithuania

So I do now understand 2009.0 is canceled too or only 200*.1 canceled?

Thorror · n00b Joined: 16 Sep 2008 Posts: 4

d2_racing · Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:45 am Post subject:

Here is the proposition of Daniel : http://blog.funtoo.org/2008/09/gentoo-20081-release-solutions.html

He use a custom build catalyst called Metro.

rgk · Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:20 am Post subject:

zaccret · n00b Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Posts: 18

yngwin · Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject:

At this moment there is no LiveCD release planned. We first would like to see how things develop with respect to the automated regular builds of the Minimal CD and the stage3 tarballs. Even so, we are considering to do an official LiveCD once a year. We will update you when these ideas crystallize. Thank you all for the positive feedback!
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Xake · Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject:

cwr · Veteran Joined: 17 Dec 2005 Posts: 1969

The drawback to the new dispensation is that the 6/12 monthly releases went through
testing as a unit, and there was some hope that the different packages, or at least the
main ones, would play nicely together. With a rolling update you just have to keep
updating.

However, with Gentoo's lack of developers the distribution has no other way
forward. I can't see more developers flocking to Gentoo now.

Will

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Etal · Veteran Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 1931

Daniel Robbins recently posted about the release tool ("Metro") he's using for his stage builds on his blog, which seems to be exactly what is needed for weekly builds. What's the general opinion?
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