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interesting, but unless flash and ad-block work on it, i'm sticking with firefox.
and i'm not sure google wants ad-block to work on their browser when their main revenue stream is providing ads.
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Also interesting is that Google is the major revenue source for Mozilla and Opera.
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wrong - the web is for web stuff, applications are for applications.
If I could get my youtube in an application, I probably would..
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| poly_poly-man wrote: | wrong - the web is for web stuff, applications are for applications.
If I could get my youtube in an application, I probably would.. |
Wrong. It used to be that way but it is changing; get used to it or be left behind. |
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| Zepp wrote: | | poly_poly-man wrote: | wrong - the web is for web stuff, applications are for applications.
If I could get my youtube in an application, I probably would.. |
Wrong. It used to be that way but it is changing; get used to it or be left behind. |
javascript is bad.
java is bad
flash is bad
AJAX is bad
xhtml is bad
php is good
cgi is good
html is good
BTW, the whole "seperate processes" thing... doesn't konqueror, to a degree, do this already?
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| poly_poly-man wrote: | | BTW, the whole "seperate processes" thing... doesn't konqueror, to a degree, do this already? |
When flash or javascript misbehaves does your browser lock-up?
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| poly_poly-man wrote: | javascript is bad.
java is bad
flash is bad
AJAX is bad
xhtml is bad
php is good
cgi is good
html is good
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| poly_poly-man wrote: | | BTW, the whole "seperate processes" thing... doesn't konqueror, to a degree, do this already? |
I don't believe so, though I haven't used konq in awhile. |
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| Zepp wrote: | http://kara.allthingsd.com/20080901/google-ignites-a-new-browser-war-with-microsoft-by-unveiling-one-of-its-own/
| Quote: | | In its most frontal and aggressive attack on Microsoft yet, sources with knowledge of the project said Google is preparing to unveil a new browser–ready for download to users as early as tomorrow–to try to loosen Microsoft’s iron grip on the most important piece of software to navigate the Internet. |
Not sure if google has confirmed anything officially though. |
I like the logo. It looks like a spy camera. Fitting for a company that knows more about you than your own mother.
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| sts wrote: | | Zepp wrote: | http://kara.allthingsd.com/20080901/google-ignites-a-new-browser-war-with-microsoft-by-unveiling-one-of-its-own/
| Quote: | | In its most frontal and aggressive attack on Microsoft yet, sources with knowledge of the project said Google is preparing to unveil a new browser–ready for download to users as early as tomorrow–to try to loosen Microsoft’s iron grip on the most important piece of software to navigate the Internet. |
Not sure if google has confirmed anything officially though. |
I like the logo. It looks like a spy camera. Fitting for a company that knows more about you than your own mother. |
I think it looks like a pokeball |
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| poly_poly-man wrote: | javascript is bad.
java is bad
flash is bad
AJAX is bad
xhtml is bad
php is good
cgi is good
html is good |
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And yeah, I wouldn't use Google's shitty browser.
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| poly_poly-man wrote: | wrong - the web is for web stuff, applications are for applications.
If I could get my youtube in an application, I probably would.. |
veto. the web is better for lots of reasons.
1) it can stop piracy much more effectively. not only would they have to break the client side code (to work with an unapproved server), they'd also have to reverse engineer or steal the server code.
2) there's no more mostly failed attempts at getting people to make software updates.
3) web services typically have much better reliability than your local hard drive.
of course, the inherent problem is that it's one centralized point, which means if the company goes under or wants to change its business model, you're screwed. and the only way to get around that is to have installable server packages, and then anyone with technical expertise can pirate the software.
and you still need apps that can run client side, even if the main app is server side. if you don't people won't use your app on their laptop because they cant use it when there's no net connection.
you also have bandwidth as a choke. with more and more ISPs clamping down and deciding that they want to be gatekeepers and bridge trolls instead of dumb pipes, web apps are definitely going to take a hit. |
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| Zepp wrote: | | sts wrote: | | Zepp wrote: | http://kara.allthingsd.com/20080901/google-ignites-a-new-browser-war-with-microsoft-by-unveiling-one-of-its-own/
| Quote: | | In its most frontal and aggressive attack on Microsoft yet, sources with knowledge of the project said Google is preparing to unveil a new browser–ready for download to users as early as tomorrow–to try to loosen Microsoft’s iron grip on the most important piece of software to navigate the Internet. |
Not sure if google has confirmed anything officially though. |
I like the logo. It looks like a spy camera. Fitting for a company that knows more about you than your own mother. |
I think it looks like a pokeball |
Or like Simon, the electronic memory game.
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| djlosch wrote: | | 3) web services typically have much better reliability than your local hard drive. |
Where do you get your hard-drives? I want to avoid them. If my hard-drive crashed as regularly as my net connection went down I wouldn't be a happy bunny. |
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| sts wrote: | | poly_poly-man wrote: | | BTW, the whole "seperate processes" thing... doesn't konqueror, to a degree, do this already? |
When flash or javascript misbehaves does your browser lock-up? |
well... everything is a seperate process... sort of. There's kio_http (grabbing the page) which throws it to khtml (which has the javascript and plugin stuff in it), and displaying it in the big konqueror window.
I think, if the renderer dies for one tab, the whole thing dies... and that's only happened a few times.
However, if javascript crashes, it gives you the option to end javascript.
Flash is already seperated for me thanks to nspluginwrapper.
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| djlosch wrote: | | [3) web services typically have much better reliability than your local hard drive. |
Not really. What happens if they lose your data? Nothing, there's no accountability. At least with local data management you have control and flexibility.
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I'm all for it anything that weakens IE* hold on the net is good
at the end of the day they have just wrapped their own stuff around webkit
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So this thing is open source? I wonder what graphics toolkit they used.
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| sts wrote: | | So this thing is open source? I wonder what graphics toolkit they used. |
All there other apps like googtalk and picasa use QT I think? If that is any indication... |
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Almost certainly qt.
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| Zepp wrote: | | All there other apps like googtalk and picasa use QT I think? If that is any indication... |
Picasa runs in Wine only and googletalk doesn't run on Linux.
The browser mockups don't resemble Qt but it is probably skinnable so we'll see.
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| sts wrote: | | Zepp wrote: | | All there other apps like googtalk and picasa use QT I think? If that is any indication... |
I thought those ran in wine? |
Google earth is native I think, Picasa uses wine, and google talk is windows only. |
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| djlosch wrote: | interesting, but unless flash and ad-block work on it, i'm sticking with firefox.
and i'm not sure google wants ad-block to work on their browser when their main revenue stream is providing ads. |
AdBlock Plus blocks banner ads. It doesn't block Google's text ads. You'd have to get CustomizeGoogle for that.
| poly_poly-man wrote: | javascript is bad.
java is bad
flash is bad
AJAX is bad
xhtml is bad
php is good
cgi is good
html is good |
This is mostly right, but PHP is far from good. It is in some dire need of restructuring and support for basic things such as namespaces (yeah, I know it's coming, but that's not an excuse for support not having been added for them a long time ago).
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After going through the comic I would have to admit this actually looks really good. Assuming it lives up to their portrayal.
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