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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reiser4 Gentoo FAQ [30Oct2014] Reply with quote

As I've noticed that some Reiser4 questions get asked all the time I think that this thread will be useful so that people should have one central place for answers.
All the Q and A will be in this first post.
_______________________________________________________________________
Q1: How to start using Reiser4?

You need:
1. kernel (>= 2.6.36) patched with latest patches from http://sourceforge.net/projects/reiser4/files/reiser4-for-linux-3.x/
2. reiser4.progs-1.0.7 or higher http://sourceforge.net/projects/reiser4/files/reiser4-utils/
3. create reiser4 partition with:
Reiser4:
Code:
mkfs.reiser4 /dev/xxx

Reiser4 without cryptocompression:
Code:
mkfs.reiser4 -o create=reg40 /dev/xxx

4. mount the new partition with -noatime option in fstab

Q2: Why does du reports wrong size of data?

"du (1) statistics does not reflect (online) real space usage, as
i_bytes and i_blocks are unsupported by cryptcompress plugin
(supporting those fields "on-line" leads to performance drop).
However, their proper values can be set "offline" by reiser4.fsck." -Edward Shiskin
http://marc.info/?l=reiserfs-devel&m=117400217826615&w=2

Q3: I get lots of errors about wrong size when fscking cryptocompress R4 partition. Am I in trouble?

No you're not. These are false positives when checking cryptocompress data. That's proper values mentioned in Q2. As of version of reiser4.progs-1.0.7 these issues are fixed. These warnings can be suppressed with -s.

Q4: I'm having trouble with OpenRC and Reiser4, how can I fix it?

Set fsck_args="-a" in /etc/conf.d/fsck
Shouldn't be a problem with recent OpenRC

Q5: Can I use loopback files on reiser4?

You can on plain Reiser4. On Reiser4+cryptocompress you have to create loopback file this way:
Code:
dd if=incompressible_file of=loopfile bs=65537 count=1

Now using some incompressible file we created new file (of has to be new file) that R4 will remember as incompressible.
http://marc.info/?l=reiserfs-devel&m=121262617103900&w=2
This item should be fixed in recent kernels.

Q6: What are the R4 strongpoints?

Usage with small files, low fragmentation especialy with cryptocompression, efficient space usage (usual / without /home is 40% smaller with R4+cc than with plain ext3), robustnes wrt. power failures, very fast for certain workloads (eg. for /usr/portage).

Q7: What are R4 weak points?

Currently some large multimedia files are falsely considered as compressable.
Loopback support still has some rough edges
Performance with atime can be low on cryptocompressed partitions, and deletion of large files on cryptocompressed partitions can take more time than on plain partitions. This is a trade off for better overall performance.

Q8: Where can I find some benchmarks?

http://marc.info/?l=reiserfs-devel&m=121484256609180&w=2
http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1104010-JPEI-110329637

Q9: How would I know what's the right fs for me?

Every fs has its strongpoints, so try to use those which suits you most. Test them not with some synthetic benchmarks, but with your usage patterns. Comparative tests have to be under same conditions (same partition etc.). If you want to know what fs is best against power failures format a USB flash with it and yank it out during copying lots of small files and during copying one large file. When you remount it fsck and make conclusions.

Q10: I've formated my / with r4 and now can't boot. What should I do?

You'll have to use a separate /boot partition (50-100MB ext2).

Q11: When will Reiser4 be included in mainline Linux kernel?
Ask $DEITY.
Quote:
I don't see any technical obstacles for Reiser4 inclusion. There are only organisation ones: I don't think it will be accepted without support from some vendor.
Thanks,
Edward.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTA2Mw

Q12: Where can I find more informations?
There's a mailing list reiserfs-devel@vger.kernel.org with archives and IRC channel #reiser4 at irc.oftc.net
There's a wiki too at http://reiser4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page

Q13: Where can I find a LiveCD with Reiser4 support?
www.sysresccd.org supports Reiser4 from version 3.1.1: http://sourceforge.net/projects/systemrescuecd/files/sysresccd-x86/

Q14: Any bugs that I should know of?

All of these bugs are reported as fixed as of reiser4-for-3.7 http://marc.info/?l=reiserfs-devel&m=135844802421045&w=2

Q15: Are there any tuning options?
There is a dedicated Reiser4 tuning thread at http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-707465.html

Q16: Why is there no patch for just released linux kernel?
VFS layer in linux kernel changes from time to time, and fixing the R4/VFS interraction is usually a nontrivial task bacause bugs can be easily introduced and because we like our data. All we can do is wait.

Q17: Does it support encryption?

Edward wrote:
Actually it is implemented on a low level. Moreover,
long time ago I got a reiser4 partition transparently
compressed and ciphered by aes ecb. The problem
was that Linux didn't have a good key manager. Now
I believe that the situation is improved, so in order to
announce encryption we need:
1. a fast iv-generator stable to watermark attack for
cbc encryption mode;
2. to adjust any convenient key manager to perform
encryption per file/directory/volume.

I estimate the complexity of this task as 2 of 5.

Thanks,
Edward.

http://marc.info/?l=reiserfs-devel&m=125983401120315&w=2

Q18: Are there any special options when using Reiser4 on a SSD? What about TRIM support?

Edward wrote:
When formatting your SSD partition by mkfs.reiser4 use the option -d: it will issue discard request for the whole partition before creating reiser4 structure on it. This option is available in reiser4progs-1.0.9


It's advisable to not use Reiser4 compression with SSD controllers that compress data (sandforce ones) as you'll include overhead for compressing the data twice.
As of reiser4-for-3.14.1.patch there is an option for different transaction model per fs so you can activate COW mode for your SSD partitions with a mount option: "txmod=wa"
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-986096.html

Also as of reiser4-for-3.16.2.patch reiser4 supports Trim feature http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trim_%28computing%29 http://marc.info/?l=reiserfs-devel&m=139935424207357&w=2 which enable automatic discarding of deleted blocks. If you use controller/SSD drive <SATA3.1 you could induce a performance penalty on other FSes because Trim is slow on those but Reiser4 solves this problem by queueing discard requests together and by dispatching them at the ennd of queue..
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-990364.html

dusanc wrote:
If you align your FS, use -noatime as you should do with any FS on SSD, thing is that good SSD controllers won't detoriate easily over time (like Intel or sandforce ones). Not using your SSD for portage, tmp, or swap helps too :D

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-6533722.html#6533722

Q19: I have very long mount times with my large Reiser4 partition. What should I do?

Use dont_load_bitmap mount option.

Quote:
+dont_load_bitmap
+ Don't load all bitmap blocks at mount time, it is useful for
+ machines with tiny RAM and large disks.


_____________________________________________________________________


I hope that this will help people and I would be very grateful for every addition/correction to this FAQ.

Have fun
Dushan

Edit:
30Oct2014: Added Q19.
25Oct2014: Q18: R4 now supports trim.
06May2014: Q18: Added info about new features for SSD drives (COW and Trim support per volume).
01Dec2013: Q18:Added comment about not using compression with SSD controllers that compress data (sandforce).
17Jan2013: Updated Q1 and Q14 as there are no more open bug reports.
08Dec2012: Q13: R4 support is back in SystemRescueCD. Q14: Added some current bug info.
10Sep2012: Updated links in Q1 and Q13, and updated Q14
15Nov2011: Updated to new location of files since kernel.org was compromised. Updated Q14.
11Jun2011: Updated Q11.
30May2011: Added new bug info to Q14.
04Apr2011: Added more benchmarks and updated Q10 (there's no grub support for R4).
08Feb2011: Updated Q14.
04Jan2011: Added more info to Q18.
30Dec2010: Updated Q1, Q7, Q14, added Q18.
13Jan2010: Added Q17, bugs info to Q14, wiki link to Q12, and inclusion info to Q11.
11Jan2010: Added Q16.
25Jul2009: Added info about hitchhiker sources.
07Apr2009: Added info about GCC build bug, and about tuning thread.
27Feb2009: Added info about reiser4.progs-1.0.7, and brought some issues up to date.
08Sep2008: Added minimum kernel version to use and location of R4 LiveCD, thanks to gentree and neuron.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice summary. I just would like to add that after experimenting with loop files on R4 a lot (different kernels and machines) I wouldn't recommend this for serious use (like portage or ccache). It always led to problems, sometimes fatal, at least for me. Typical symptoms are long syncs (in order of tenths of minutes) ocassionaly ending with on-loop fs corruption as fatal that it couldn't be recovered by fsck. Since I gave up and use separate partitions for used-to-be-in-loop-file content I'm very satisfied with Reiser4 :)
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since there are two types of compression, do you want to include how to enabled one over the other and a simple speed/performance trade off? SPeaking of which, has anyone identified how much more compression one would get on average and how much of a performance impact there is?

Code:
create=ccreg40,compress=gzip1
and
Code:
create=ccreg40,compress=lzo1
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It always led to problems, sometimes fatal, at least for me.


Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. I hope your death was quick and painless. :P

Personally, I've found R4 rock solid despite all too frequent power outs here, (though I don't use compression, the rare times I've used loopback has been fine).

Nice overview. You could add which kernel version is needed for compression plugin.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might be good to add that SystemRescueCD can be used if you want to set up a Gentoo install with the root FS being Reiser4.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gentree wrote:
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It always led to problems, sometimes fatal, at least for me.


Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. I hope your death was quick and painless. :P


Well, one for two, I guess.

Quote:
Personally, I've found R4 rock solid despite all too frequent power outs here, (though I don't use compression, the rare times I've used loopback has been fine).


The reports are solid, although I've found it to be a bit verbose while debugging.

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Nice overview. You could add which kernel version is needed for compression plugin.


Personally, I prefer compression by pieces.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feel like sharing some /etc/fstab examples? R4, of course.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a simple example I have for my Reiser4 root partition
Code:
/dev/sdb6    /          reiser4                 noatime,nodiratime        1 1

With the latest versions of Mozilla Firefox, I've found that 'noatime' is fairly important.

There's another Reiser4 tuning thread going on here that has more examples:

http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-707465.html
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simple as that, huh.

I saw an interesting fstab on root part. over on the "Filesystems Choice thread" by KernelofTruth(?) I think. I'll post it when I reach my place of peace...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

taking a look at that thread in a minute.

I remember the opts not.

noatime,nodiratime,flush,scan_maxnodes=15000

I'm just trying to find a link to reiser4 mount options and also reiser4 patches for grub :roll:
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With respect to grub, I took the easy way out, and copy my boot files to a regular reiserfs partition, and boot from that partition initially.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was just about to post a "nevermind" regarding the reiser4 grub patch as I realized I probably don't need it.

/boot is ext2 and I have the kernel sources patched and reiser4 support activated there.

This is correct, no?
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minor_prophets wrote:
I was just about to post a "nevermind" regarding the reiser4 grub patch as I realized I probably don't need it.

/boot is ext2 and I have the kernel sources patched and reiser4 support activated there.

This is correct, no?


Correct
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Hey guys I finally found some people that seem to like reiser4 :D

Anyway I have reiser4 on my /home partition (and love it) and reiserfs on my / partition. Anyway the problem is ever sense I installed reiser4 it seems during boot localmount takes FOREVER to mount everything. It takes about three-five minutes and I just keep on getting an error saying "waiting on local mount" and it just repeats until it is finally done. Any ideas of what I can do to see what is wrong / speed it up?

Thanks in advanced.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

reiser4progs-1.0.7 is OUT ! :idea:

kudos to Edward Shiskin and Mathieu Bélanger;

reiserfsprogs 3.6.21 is out, too, btw :idea:

copy over the ebuild into your local overlay, rename the ebuild in the portage-tree, comment out any lines for additional patches (e.g. the preen patch) and digest the ebuild
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's good to see some activity and releases in reiserfs and reiser4.

I know a few people who like reiser4, but they're just expecting it to disappear as a project someday.

Some signs of active development, even if it is just mostly bug patches, will hopefully change the perception that it's a near-dead project.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hell-Razor wrote:
Hey guys I finally found some people that seem to like reiser4 :D

Anyway I have reiser4 on my /home partition (and love it) and reiserfs on my / partition. Anyway the problem is ever sense I installed reiser4 it seems during boot localmount takes FOREVER to mount everything. It takes about three-five minutes and I just keep on getting an error saying "waiting on local mount" and it just repeats until it is finally done. Any ideas of what I can do to see what is wrong / speed it up?

Thanks in advanced.

Well 3 things.
fsck your partitions
noatime in fstab
If you /home is pretty large (for me 200GB takes 13sec) you could add dont_load_bitmap (I hope it's correct, look in docs) in kernel parameters, so that r4 doesn't load pretty large bitmap to ram on boot time, but on load.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good tips.

I'm using one from kernelofTruth. scan_maxnodes=15000.

My question is rather noobish, though, as I'm questioning its appropriateness for all reiser4 partitions or just the root part.
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dusanc wrote:
If you /home is pretty large (for me 200GB takes 13sec) you could add dont_load_bitmap (I hope it's correct, look in docs) in kernel parameters, so that r4 doesn't load pretty large bitmap to ram on boot time, but on load.
My /home dir is huge, im assuming ~700 gigs.
I will check the bitmap thing out when I get home. What is it used for and why would it want to be loaded? and are there any risks with not loading it?
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For reference, from:
http://lists.pld-linux.org/mailman/pipermail/pld-cvs-commit/Week-of-Mon-20070806/163501.html

Probably not the newest.

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++Mount options
++=============
++tmgr.atom_max_size=N
++   Atoms containing more than N blocks will be forced to commit.
++   N is decimal.
++   Default is nr_free_pagecache_pages() / 2 at mount time.
++
++tmgr.atom_max_age=N
++   Atoms older than N seconds will be forced to commit. N is decimal.
++   Default is 600.
++
++tmgr.atom_max_flushers=N
++   Limit of concurrent flushers for one atom. 0 means no limit.
++   Default is 0.
++
++tree.cbk_cache.nr_slots=N
++   Number of slots in the cbk cache.
++
++flush.relocate_threshold=N
++   If flush finds more than N adjacent dirty leaf-level blocks it
++   will force them to be relocated.
++   Default is 64.
++
++flush.relocate_distance=N
++   If flush finds can find a block allocation closer than at most
++   N from the preceder it will relocate to that position.
++   Default is 64.
++
++flush.scan_maxnodes=N
++   The maximum number of nodes to scan left on a level during
++   flush.
++   Default is 10000.
++
++optimal_io_size=N
++   Preferred IO size. This value is used to set st_blksize of
++   struct stat.
++   Default is 65536.
++
++bsdgroups
++   Turn on BSD-style gid assignment.
++
++32bittimes
++   By default file in reiser4 have 64 bit timestamps. Files
++   created when filesystem is mounted with 32bittimes mount
++   option will get 32 bit timestamps.
++
++mtflush
++   Turn off concurrent flushing.
++
++nopseudo
++   Disable pseudo files support. See
++   http://namesys.com/v4/pseudo.html for more about pseudo files.
++
++dont_load_bitmap
++   Don't load all bitmap blocks at mount time, it is useful for
++   machines with tiny RAM and large disks.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweet thanks HecHacker1. Where do I add this line? just in my grub.conf kernel line ? I would assume so so here is a clip of what I added --

Code:
title Gentoo Linux 2.6.27-r2
root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/gentoo-sources-2.6.27-r2 root=/dev/sda3 vga=0x317 dont_load_bitmap

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Hell-Razor wrote:
Sweet thanks HecHacker1. Where do I add this line? just in my grub.conf kernel line ? I would assume so so here is a clip of what I added --

Code:
title Gentoo Linux 2.6.27-r2
root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/gentoo-sources-2.6.27-r2 root=/dev/sda3 vga=0x317 dont_load_bitmap


those are MOUNT options, so just add them to /etc/fstab

there you might have "defaults", or "noatime,nodiratime" add that thingy there
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope, thing like don't load bitmap have to go to kernel options, Edward told me :)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dusanc wrote:
Nope, thing like don't load bitmap have to go to kernel options, Edward told me :)


ok, well then the documentation is really outdated:

Quote:
++Mount options
:lol:

someone should really create a wiki where we can write down all of the important tid bits
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 19, 2009 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright lets see here, my fstab -
Code:
/dev/sda1      /boot      reiserfs         noauto,noatime,notail            0 2
/dev/sda3      /         reiserfs         noatime,notail                  0 1
/dev/sda2      none      swap         sw                        0 0
/dev/sdb1      /home/      reiser4         noatime,dont_load_bitmap           0 2
/dev/cdrom   /mnt/cdrom   iso9660         noauto,ro,user               0 0


how does that look?
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