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atrus123
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 Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: How can Apple do this? |
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http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/iPhone_Coders_Miffed__Muzzled_By_Apple_s_NDA
| Quote: | | “There is no legal way for developers to talk about they are developing,” Williams laments. “No way to post tutorials. No way to give code away. It’s hard to interact with other developers and to write code without reinventing the wheel. Normally, you could post [a coding question] on Twitter and get an answer within minutes.” |
Another question is why would anyone agree to a NDA in the first place that prevented them from discussing THEIR OWN CODE with others?
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think that's bad? this just hit slashdot:
| Quote: | | "Apple employees are putting together a class action lawsuit for not receiving overtime pay. A Lawsuit filed Monday in California seeks class action status alleging that Apple denied technical staffers required overtime pay and meal compensation in violation of state law. Filed in the US District Court for Southern California, the complaint claims that many Apple employees are routinely subjected to working conditions resembling indentured servitude, or 'modern day slaves', for lack of better words." |
link here
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It's my simple fate to never own an iPhone. Literally just earlier today I got thinking of seeing if I could grab a cheep iPhone v1 from eBay and then jailbreaking it.
Then I see stuff like this, and it reminds me why I dislike Jobs and co. so much.
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If Microsoft is the debil, Apple are the anti-christ looking to bring about armageddon. They really need to recheck their business practices.
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| AidanJT wrote: | | If Microsoft is the debil, Apple are the anti-christ looking to bring about armageddon. They really need to recheck their business practices. |
So true.
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| It's quite simple how Apple can do it. It's because the sheep are buying the iPhone (and other Apple products) in droves and will continue to do so. If anyone feels offended by this statement, so be it. |
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| Gusar wrote: | | It's quite simple how Apple can do it. It's because the sheep are buying the iPhone (and other Apple products) in droves and will continue to do so. If anyone feels offended by this statement, so be it. |
Yes, because all good enlightened, liberal people who truly appreciate art must buy apple products. Otherwise, how would they be able to recognize each other?
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| historian wrote: | | Gusar wrote: | | It's quite simple how Apple can do it. It's because the sheep are buying the iPhone (and other Apple products) in droves and will continue to do so. If anyone feels offended by this statement, so be it. |
Yes, because all good enlightened, liberal people who truly appreciate art must buy apple products. Otherwise, how would they be able to recognize each other? |
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| tylerwylie wrote: | | Sigged. |
I finally wrote something sigg-able. Yay!
The part of my brain the generates meaningless verbosity must be turned off...
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| I don't see this as surprising at all. This is typical Apple behavior, both the restrictions on developers and poor treatment of their employees. If Steve could, he'd make installing applications on the Mac like the iPhone. Unfortunately, people have been allowed to install apps on the Mac from wherever they want since the original Mac OS, so people would be up in arms if you forced all apps to be installed through a Mac App Store. But with the iPhone, if you get people used to the idea of installing applications from an App Store, they won't miss the freedom of installing an application from any site they want. If you get people used to the idea that they can't collaborate freely on an application, they won't miss it. It's much like repressive countries such as China - the population doesn't miss the freedoms that they've never experienced, so the government is free to continue ignoring human rights. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: How can Apple do this? |
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| atrus123 wrote: | http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/iPhone_Coders_Miffed__Muzzled_By_Apple_s_NDA
| Quote: | | “There is no legal way for developers to talk about they are developing,” Williams laments. “No way to post tutorials. No way to give code away. It’s hard to interact with other developers and to write code without reinventing the wheel. Normally, you could post [a coding question] on Twitter and get an answer within minutes.” |
Another question is why would anyone agree to a NDA in the first place that prevented them from discussing THEIR OWN CODE with others? |
Dude, it is the cult of Apple. Apple can get away with shit no other vendors can because their user base is a bunch of drones.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:34 pm Post subject: Re: How can Apple do this? |
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| sts wrote: | | atrus123 wrote: | http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/iPhone_Coders_Miffed__Muzzled_By_Apple_s_NDA
| Quote: | | “There is no legal way for developers to talk about they are developing,” Williams laments. “No way to post tutorials. No way to give code away. It’s hard to interact with other developers and to write code without reinventing the wheel. Normally, you could post [a coding question] on Twitter and get an answer within minutes.” |
Another question is why would anyone agree to a NDA in the first place that prevented them from discussing THEIR OWN CODE with others? |
Dude, it is the cult of Apple. Apple can get away with shit no other vendors can because their user base is a bunch of drones. |
I know, but I'm just always so flabbergasted that these Apple users stand for it. It just doesn't make sense... I guess unless I consider it in the context of a cult.
Edit: It's too bad, because I do like some of their stuff, but I don't want to feel like I'd have to jailbreak their phone just to be able to use it.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: How can Apple do this? |
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| sts wrote: | | Dude, it is the cult of Apple. Apple can get away with shit no other vendors can because their user base is a bunch of drones. |
It's true. A few of my friends were inducted into the cult recently. It's hard to listen to them talk about Macs without hearing "WE ARE THE BORG. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE". example. While I was at a friend's house he went to hook his computer up to his television, and was having some trouble getting the TV cords in, and my friend said(seriously, mind you): "If only it was a Mac..." |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: How can Apple do this? |
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| Xaero wrote: | | sts wrote: | | Dude, it is the cult of Apple. Apple can get away with shit no other vendors can because their user base is a bunch of drones. |
It's true. A few of my friends were inducted into the cult recently. It's hard to listen to them talk about Macs without hearing "WE ARE THE BORG. RESISTANCE IS FUTILE". example. While I was at a friend's house he went to hook his computer up to his television, and was having some trouble getting the TV cords in, and my friend said(seriously, mind you): "If only it was a Mac..." |
The funny thing is that on Macs, you have buy a proprietary converter to output DVI (not sure if this applies to that TV, but it does to many projectors). |
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| well, its about individualism. if you dont own an apple gadget, youre just like the rest. |
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| square_ wrote: | | well, its about individualism. if you dont own an apple gadget, youre just like the rest. |
Haha. The sad thing is, those people probably believe that. But in reality, where's the individuality when everyone owns an iPod? Ooh, some have a white one and some a pink one. Yeah, that's it. |
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| Gusar wrote: | | square_ wrote: | | well, its about individualism. if you dont own an apple gadget, youre just like the rest. |
Haha. The sad thing is, those people probably believe that. But in reality, where's the individuality when everyone owns an iPod? Ooh, some have a white one and some a pink one. Yeah, that's it. |
The notion of "I want to be an individual just like everyone else" long predates the Cult of Apple, although the Cult of Apple did make the concept their own.
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| freelight wrote: | | Gusar wrote: | | square_ wrote: | | well, its about individualism. if you dont own an apple gadget, youre just like the rest. |
Haha. The sad thing is, those people probably believe that. But in reality, where's the individuality when everyone owns an iPod? Ooh, some have a white one and some a pink one. Yeah, that's it. |
The notion of "I want to be an individual just like everyone else" long predates the Cult of Apple, although the Cult of Apple did make the concept their own. |
example? i dont doubt it, but i cant think of anything right now. |
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| freelight wrote: | | The notion of "I want to be an individual just like everyone else" long predates the Cult of Apple |
Yeah, but this is an Apple thread, so I gave an Apple example.
| square_ wrote: | | example? i dont doubt it, but i cant think of anything right now. |
Goths? |
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| haha that is fucking ridiculous. I don't like what they are doing with the iphone as far as development goes. It's disappointing since it could be so good, you just need to look at all jailbreaking community and development. |
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I remember seeing a chart on the net that compared the features of the current Iphone with those found on Japanese cellphones, it was truly sad. The Iphone is nothing compared to the phones people in other parts of the world can get their hands on feature wise. Iphone's biggest advantage is probably UI just like with the Ipod.
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| Shadow Skill wrote: | | I remember seeing a chart on the net that compared the features of the current Iphone with those found on Japanese cellphones, it was truly sad. |
I believe you're referring to this. The only things that are missing on all Japanese cellphones are Safari and iTMS, which are worthless anyway.
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| srunni wrote: | | Shadow Skill wrote: | | I remember seeing a chart on the net that compared the features of the current Iphone with those found on Japanese cellphones, it was truly sad. |
I believe you're referring to this. The only things that are missing on all Japanese cellphones are Safari and iTMS, which are worthless anyway. |
Can we use any of these futuristic Japanese phones on US networks?
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| sts wrote: | | srunni wrote: | | Shadow Skill wrote: | | I remember seeing a chart on the net that compared the features of the current Iphone with those found on Japanese cellphones, it was truly sad. |
I believe you're referring to this. The only things that are missing on all Japanese cellphones are Safari and iTMS, which are worthless anyway. |
Can we use any of these futuristic Japanese phones on US networks? |
Nope, they use a different mobile communication standard. W-CDMA, I think. We're stuck with a much slower network due to lack of government regulation and competition. Besides, you can't just get a Japanese cellphone and use its features over here. There are so many other things that must be changed. For example, they have Osaifu-Keitai (mobile wallet), which allows them to pay for public transportation, products from vending machines (you know how those are in Japan ;/ ), sporting event tickets, etc. using their phones. This feature needs to be supported by American companies before it can be used. They also have QR codes on a lot of stuff in public, such as products in stores. Once again, companies have to start putting QR codes on their products before this feature is of any use to us. Also, a lot of Japanese websites are optimized for cell phone screens, such as Mixi, their Facebook, or Nico Nico Douga, their YouTube. The iPhone attempts to make PC sites viewable on cell phones, which is always going to be clunky. In Japan, that's not necessary.
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