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Leio Developer


Joined: 27 Feb 2003 Posts: 142 Location: Estonia, Tallinn
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| nightmorph wrote: | | Argh, then Gnome upstream is being stupid and overloading Gnome with packages that don't run on most architectures. |
swfdec runs on all architectures (at least that have some GNOME stuff marked in Gentoo), according to debian keywords for example. We have yet to file keyword requests for the new modules and their dependencies - we are getting to that soon. Or in other words, swfdec work on all architectures, closed source player only on x86 (and x86_64 in 32bit through nspluginwrapper) and that's it.
| nightmorph wrote: | Using gnome-light is much more complicated and time-consuming, since usually, there's only three or four things that (I feel) don't belong in the metapackage. So adding back just about everything except those few packages . . . yeah.  |
I hear package sets in portage-2.2 might bring some good redemption possibilities there.
The discussion happened on a pretty crowded public channel with even two active non-dev contributors taking part of it. That channel of course is where all of the Gentoo GNOME team hangs out - #gentoo-desktop
Daniel intends to work on a proposal for splitting them up to more meta packages by some clearly defined specification to where what belongs and we'll see from there. These packages would chain-depend on each-other with the highest level (gnome-base/gnome) pulling still everything in that is officially a GNOME module per upstream release engineering team (and not block eachother like gnome-light and gnome for some reason do). Once there's something concrete to continue discussing on, we'll do that. Meanwhile to not waste time in getting GNOME-2.22 unmasked, bugs killed and getting it on its way towards getting stable one day, we are continuing our work on that and the meta work can be done independently after that. _________________ GNOME team lead; GStreamer |
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Leio Developer


Joined: 27 Feb 2003 Posts: 142 Location: Estonia, Tallinn
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| phaseburn wrote: | | This way you get your full desktop, minus epiphany, and whatever else you feel like removing. Be prepared to dig through failed deps if you get too aggressive with that though. |
While we might not officially support GNOME as a whole (how integration between stuff works, etc) without using the full gnome meta, individual packages are still obviously supported on their own, and any failed deps coming from that method are bugs in the individual packages in not depending on rdepending on everything that is necessary for it and bugs should appropriately exist in bugzilla until fixed _________________ GNOME team lead; GStreamer |
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tallica Apprentice


Joined: 27 Jul 2007 Posts: 152 Location: Lublin, POL
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Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: |
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Why don't add evolution/epiphany use flag to gnome metapackage? Or create another metapackage with more use flags? It's might be good idea
like:
gnome-light
gnome
gnome-fit (with multiple use flags)
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ahh I've just read it: | Leio wrote: | | Daniel intends to work on a proposal for splitting them up to more meta packages by some clearly defined specification to where what belongs and we'll see from there. [...] |
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pizzach Apprentice


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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Michal. wrote: | Why don't add evolution/epiphany use flag to gnome metapackage? Or create another metapackage with more use flags? It's might be good idea
like:
gnome-light
gnome
gnome-fit (with multiple use flags)
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Actually, I think the easy thing to do is to create a metapackage gnome-unheavy that does not include the major heavy leaf applications (Epiphany, Totem, Evolution) without special use flags. The list can be expanded or shrunk a little by the devs with few complaints from most users like (Epiphany, Evolution) or (Epiphany, Totem, Evolution, Rhythmbox.) There is no need for a bunch of different use flags which would complicate testing the metapackage. |
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Fran Guru


Joined: 29 Feb 2004 Posts: 455 Location: Coruña (Spain)
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| phaseburn wrote: | nightmorph, I feel your pain with the gnome vs gnome-light... My solution has always been to just remove the offending 2 or 3 parts from the gnome ebuild, rebuild the digest, and emerge it. Until I emerge an upgraded gnome ebuild, it doesn't bother me...
This way you get your full desktop, minus epiphany, and whatever else you feel like removing. Be prepared to dig through failed deps if you get too aggressive with that though. |
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I've always made my own gnome-light. I find it easier than setting a bunch of use flags, if a 'configurable' gnome metapackage is ever made. Right now:
| Code: | diff /usr/portage/gnome-base/gnome/gnome-2.22.0.ebuild gnome-light-2.22.0.ebuild
57d56
< >=gnome-extra/bug-buddy-2.22.0
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< >=media-sound/sound-juicer-2.22.0
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< >=www-client/epiphany-2.22.0
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< >=x11-libs/gtksourceview-1.8.5:1.0
< >=x11-libs/gtksourceview-2.2.0:2.0
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< >=gnome-extra/gnome-games-2.22.0
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< >=gnome-extra/gnome2-user-docs-2.22.0
< >=gnome-extra/yelp-2.22.0
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< >=gnome-extra/gtkhtml-3.18.0
< >=mail-client/evolution-2.22.0
< >=gnome-extra/evolution-data-server-2.22.0
< >=gnome-extra/evolution-webcal-2.21.92
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< >=net-misc/vino-2.22.0
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< >=app-admin/pessulus-2.16.4
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< >=x11-misc/alacarte-0.11.5
< !ppc64? ( >=gnome-extra/gnome-power-manager-2.22.0 )
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I don't see any need for a gnome ebuid full of use variables. _________________ ~amd64 10.0 // linux-3.4 // gcc-4.7 // glibc-2.15 // xorg-server-1.12 // openbox-3.5 |
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red-wolf76 l33t


Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 713 Location: Rhein-Main Area
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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I agree - partly. It just wouldn't make sense to lobotomize the full gnome package unless the stuff coming from upstream will frak your box. Having a gnome-medium meta in between gnome-light and gnome could make sense, but who'd maintain it and decide what to include and what to leave out? In the end, one may be easier off just adding USE variables to -light instead, even though in some more heavily screwed-up configs that may beg the question of calling it -light...
On another note. With all those blockers about, what would be the most sensible upgrade path. I do get baselayout 2 in my update pile, currently, and would like to bork one thing at a time before going bananas on a new gnome. Best guess is to just unmerge and remerge the offending packages, right? _________________ 0mFg, G3nt00 r0X0r$ T3h B1g!1111
Use sane CFLAGS! If for no other reason, do it for the lulz! |
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Leio Developer


Joined: 27 Feb 2003 Posts: 142 Location: Estonia, Tallinn
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: |
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Regarding possible ideas of how to handle the meta package, I encourage to create a separate topic for that, so we can keep it on-topic here regarding GNOME-2.22 and have a concrete place to discuss the meta related approaches. Please drop a note here with a link to the new topic so we can follow-up there. Some moderators at that point might move some posts about metas over there as well.
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plastikman187 Apprentice


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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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I have installed Gnome 2.22.0 and I have just a couple of questions/issues.
- It seems that my Numlock does not work any more (even when the light says it is on it is off)
- Each time I log in I get the below two messages that i have to click "OK"on
- "Welcome to `hostname` last log in `date` on tty0"
- "Welcome to `hostname`"
- The icon for my NFS mount nolonger shows up on my desktop and no longer shows up in the system > places.
Does any one else have these issues? I really only care about issue 1 and 2. and mostly 2 it is very annoying having to click "OK" 2x to log into my system. _________________ Ubuntu -- An african word meaning 'Gentoo is too hard for me' |
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Leio Developer


Joined: 27 Feb 2003 Posts: 142 Location: Estonia, Tallinn
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| plastikman187 wrote: | I have installed Gnome 2.22.0 and I have just a couple of questions/issues.
- It seems that my Numlock does not work any more (even when the light says it is on it is off)
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Maybe your X goes into mouse emulation mode for some reason? What happens if you shift+numlock and try then? Do numbers move the mouse then or numbers start to work?
| plastikman187 wrote: |
- Each time I log in I get the below two messages that i have to click "OK"on
- "Welcome to `hostname` last log in `date` on tty0"
- "Welcome to `hostname`"
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I get at least one of them in my office too, now that I think of it. Please make sure a bug exists in our bugzilla.
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- The icon for my NFS mount nolonger shows up on my desktop and no longer shows up in the system > places.
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Hmm, no idea about that one. There were gvfs/eel/nautilus bumps though. If those don't help, another bug to bugzilla please  _________________ GNOME team lead; GStreamer |
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Niltsiar n00b


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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| plastikman187 wrote: |
[*]Each time I log in I get the below two messages that i have to click "OK"on
[*] "Welcome to `hostname` last log in `date` on tty0"
[*] "Welcome to `hostname`"
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It may be related to this. I did what it's said in that thread and everything is working now without the "last login" messages. |
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red-wolf76 l33t


Joined: 13 Apr 2005 Posts: 713 Location: Rhein-Main Area
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, Gnome 2.20 displayed drives already mounted, which somehow felt counterintuitive. If it's mounted via fstab, I likely know where it is and don't need it on my desktop through automount. Just my 2¢.
I do have trouble with my keyboard though. I used to be able to access neat characters such as the side quotation marks by using CTRL and the < or > keys (I think), respectively. Unfortunately, this has now stopped working (in Gnome, at least), even though ALT Gr still works. Probably to do with shortcut handling... _________________ 0mFg, G3nt00 r0X0r$ T3h B1g!1111
Use sane CFLAGS! If for no other reason, do it for the lulz! |
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M Guru

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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:37 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | It seems that my Numlock does not work any more (even when the light says it is on it is off) |
I had this problem too, just go to keyboard accessibility and disable Mouse Keys. Somehow this option is Enabled by default. |
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wdicc n00b

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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:24 am Post subject: |
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| plastikman187 wrote: |
- The icon for my NFS mount nolonger shows up on my desktop and no longer shows up in the system > places.
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I seemes have the same problems. USB disk automount not work. Disk partion icons nologer shows on my desktop.
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-681653-highlight-.html |
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plastikman187 Apprentice


Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 233
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Niltsiar wrote: | | plastikman187 wrote: |
[*]Each time I log in I get the below two messages that i have to click "OK"on
[*] "Welcome to `hostname` last log in `date` on tty0"
[*] "Welcome to `hostname`"
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It may be related to this. I did what it's said in that thread and everything is working now without the "last login" messages. |
Thanks there were 2 modules that needed to be commented out
pam_lastlog.so
and
pam_motd.so
| M wrote: | | Quote: | | It seems that my Numlock does not work any more (even when the light says it is on it is off) |
I had this problem too, just go to keyboard accessibility and disable Mouse Keys. Somehow this option is Enabled by default. |
The stupid option was checked on it is off now and now my numlock works!
thanks! _________________ Ubuntu -- An african word meaning 'Gentoo is too hard for me' |
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Fran Guru


Joined: 29 Feb 2004 Posts: 455 Location: Coruña (Spain)
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Why does swfdec-mozilla force xulrunner-1.8*? While it was in the overlay the dependency was any version of xulrunner, and it worked ok with xulrunner-1.9. I've modified the ebuild to admit again any version of xulrunner and is working fine here with firefox-3.0_beta5 and xulrunner 1.9_beta5. _________________ ~amd64 10.0 // linux-3.4 // gcc-4.7 // glibc-2.15 // xorg-server-1.12 // openbox-3.5 |
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Leio Developer


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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:45 am Post subject: |
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| Fran wrote: | | Why does swfdec-mozilla force xulrunner-1.8*? While it was in the overlay the dependency was any version of xulrunner, and it worked ok with xulrunner-1.9. I've modified the ebuild to admit again any version of xulrunner and is working fine here with firefox-3.0_beta5 and xulrunner 1.9_beta5. |
Depending on multiple slots in one revision is bad. 1.9 is not in ~arch last I checked, so...
a masked revision of swfdec-mozilla that builds against 1.9 could be considered. _________________ GNOME team lead; GStreamer |
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Leio Developer


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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:47 am Post subject: |
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GNOME 2.22 is now unmasked on x86 and amd64. The rest will follow after forgotten keyword lists are done and architecture teams take care of those.
Upgrade guide here _________________ GNOME team lead; GStreamer |
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bertaboy Guru


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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 5:06 am Post subject: |
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| Leio wrote: | GNOME 2.22 is now unmasked on x86 and amd64. The rest will follow after forgotten keyword lists are done and architecture teams take care of those.
Upgrade guide here |
I know it's against all hope, but if 2.22 only has 4 dependencies, then I would be thrilled.
Oh, and BTW, it appears that 2.22 is still masked for all arch's _________________
| someone else wrote: | | someone wrote: | | If there are two people that have got a problem with each other, then that person could just ignore the other person. |
You can do that without any technological mumbo-jumbo....
- someone else |
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Dirk.R.Gently Guru


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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: |
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ooops should read whole thread  _________________ • Helpful Linux Tidbits |
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Leio Developer


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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: |
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Haven't really paid attention to the blockers there. It felt ready for unstable, and after the other arches get it too, we can start looking into that - us (GNOME team) adding bugs as blockers of that bug indicating it would be nice if those would be fixed before stabling of GNOME-2.22
| bertaboy wrote: | | Oh, and BTW, it appears that 2.22 is still masked for all arch's |
It appears packages.gentoo.org fails to consider p.mask overrides in arch profiles. The global mask is still there in profiles/package.mask, and profiles/default-linux/{x86,amd64}/package.mask (pre-2008.0) and profiles/arch/{x86,amd64}/package.mask (2008.0 and beyond profiles reorganization) overrides that mask - just take a look inside any of those. It's probably hard for a tool like packages.g.o to decide what arch gets unmasked that way and what not, as there are many separate profiles for different architectures right now. And it probably is still masked for hardened/x86 for example. _________________ GNOME team lead; GStreamer |
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makism Tux's lil' helper

Joined: 24 Oct 2007 Posts: 85
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:01 pm Post subject: |
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hello and thanks for the great work as always .
earlier this morning, i emerged 2.22 and everthing worked like a charm.
some minor stuff:
i had to emerge myself "epiphany-extensions-2.22.0", "mail-notification-5.2",
"nautilus-sendto-0.14.0" and "nautilus-open-terminal-0.9".
some weird stuff:
i had a weird problem with evolution, emerge returned an error related with
a file corruption, or the filesize is not the expected :S (this was repeated about 5 times ).
i changed mirrors a couple times, and finally did a `ebuild evolution-2.22.0.ebuild digest`
and worked...
some python-possibly-related-stuff:
for the time being, the only thing that fails to run, is `gnome-about` (using python 2.5.1-r5).
here is the traceback:
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Traceback (most recent call last):
File "/usr/bin/gnome-about", line 1035, in <module>
about = GnomeAbout ()
File "/usr/bin/gnome-about", line 850, in __init__
self.create_ui ()
File "/usr/bin/gnome-about", line 929, in create_ui
info_labels = map (make_info_label, self.system_infos)
File "/usr/bin/gnome-about", line 920, in make_info_label
label.set_markup (_("<b>%(name)s:</b> %(value)s") % infos_dict)
KeyError: u'\u03cc\u03bd\u03bf\u03bc\u03b1'
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byebye. |
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ikshaar Veteran


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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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Not much problem installing here.
Volume manager and volume icons on desktop on the other hand are broken again. Nautilus keep mounting my /boot partition which have the noauto in the fstab, but none of my usb, firewire drives show up or get mounted despite having set so in the gnome-volume-properties. _________________ "May God stands between you and harm in all the empty places where you must walk" - Babylon 5 |
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erick.red n00b

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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:07 pm Post subject: finally unmasked |
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hey guys:
i juts read this from Mart Raudsepp...
| Quote: | GNOME 2.22 unmasked
Yes, indeed, GNOME 2.22 is now unmasked in Gentoo and entered ~arch and the updated profiles should be on the way to a mirror near you. But only ~x86 and ~amd64 for now, as there is still some keywording work to prepare for the rest. As I'm pretty much exhausted from the intention of getting this done before sleep and it getting done past 5am, I'm gonna be short and sweet.
Upgrade guide here (updated April 3rd); bugs go here of course. Praises (to the whole team, I am just one) go in comments right here or whereever we see, general complaints to /dev/null or comments as appropriate. My appreciation for the GNOME upstream goes to Planet GNOME with right this post (Thanks for the nice release!)
And now I mv /proc/self /dev/bed and hope stuff doesn't break too much.
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so i'm going to try to get last portage with gnome-2.22 unmasked, but i'm not so sure of where i need to get it
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DarKRaveR Guru

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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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I tried to emerge gnome-2.22. Everything looks fine, things seem to work alright in general.
One problem I had, I had to force the Session explicitly to gnome, otherwise some window about widgets popped up - no big deal though.
But there is one thing I really miss and which kinda produces quite some problem:
Under Computer all Volumes (Partitions) are listed, they get automounted as always, but here's one drawback - there used to be a properties page to modify the mount options, which seems to be gone. Unfortunately the mount options are important (I don't want ntfs-3g's write support on ntfs and I want proper names on FAT32). Is there any way to get this back to work, because non English filenames produce encoding errors and I am having problems to access them with gnome apps. |
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rjrooke n00b

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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:46 am Post subject: something to watch out for: hal/evdev/xorg usb workaround |
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I ran into the evdev/xorg/hal problem with USB mice last month (no horizontal axis) and worked around the issue by reverting to hal 0.5.9.1
It seems that some gnome 2.22 apps depend on the new hal release (gnome-panel, nautilus, etc)...
I was not able to log in all the way until I upgraded hal to 0.5.10. I had to use one of the other xorg mouse fixes to get my horizontal axis back - autoadddevices=false and change mouse driver to mouse (rather than evdev).
I think the mouse problem is known to the hal and xorg devs... |
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