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Zepp
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| ph030 wrote: | For me wmii > dwm > xmonad > e17+tiling > ion > A PILE OF SHIT > awesome.
Awesome started out good, but then they got very weird in newly introduced deps, configs and space invaders. Nothing against Lua, but if it would use perl/ruby, I'd give it another shot. |
I have never used awesome for more than like 5 seconds months and months ago, so I can't comment. But your statement "No offence to Lua but if it used X/Y I'd try it again" makes no sense. Obviously you have something against the use of Lua here, otherwise you wouldn't care if they substituted Python or Ruby in its place. I am not even trying to defend Lua, it has lots of short comings; Lua's scoping for example is FUCKED. However, your statement is rather confusing.
| BoneKracker wrote: | | Bill Cosby wrote: | I have switched from wmii to dwm, and it is good, although I miss somehow dynamic tagging, and some things don't seem to work as expected, like mplayer starting in floating mode, right now I just switch floating non-floating manually.
Anyways, I think I will try awesome, maybe I get hooked on the "eye candy"  |
wmii and dwm are excellent.
The rest are wannabes. |
Neither support Xinerama so they are useless to me. Which is rather unfortunate since I really liked wmii for its tiling style. I switched to Xmonad after I bought the second monitor.
| AidanJT wrote: | | I like wmii, the idea at least. But it annoyingly breaks some of my favourite irssi keybindings. |
You can change all of wmii's keybindings, it is rather simple from what I remember.
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| Zepp wrote: | | AidanJT wrote: | | I like wmii, the idea at least. But it annoyingly breaks some of my favourite irssi keybindings. |
You can change all of wmii's keybindings, it is rather simple from what I remember. |
Yes, you can, and I changed that, but it still breaks irssi.
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| AidanJT wrote: | | Zepp wrote: | | AidanJT wrote: | | I like wmii, the idea at least. But it annoyingly breaks some of my favourite irssi keybindings. |
You can change all of wmii's keybindings, it is rather simple from what I remember. |
Yes, you can, and I changed that, but it still breaks irssi. |
Really? how does it break it? which bindings?
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| Zepp wrote: | | I have never used awesome for more than like 5 seconds months and months ago, so I can't comment. But your statement "No offence to Lua but if it used X/Y I'd try it again" makes no sense. Obviously you have something against the use of Lua here, otherwise you wouldn't care if they substituted Python or Ruby in its place. I am not even trying to defend Lua, it has lots of short comings; Lua's scoping for example is FUCKED. However, your statement is rather confusing. |
*bumping to your memory*, we already had this discussion in another threat(screenshots iirc), but to state it again: for me it's all about the deps and the hassle they bring in. The imho useless use of doxygen has already been mentioned, so I'll only comment on Lua.
Lua may be nice, but it's not common (at least not to non-WoW-players) and it's another dep. I don't know a *nix system, which doesn't ship perl by default(ok, maybe some embedded ones). I don't think, there are more people out there able to write Lua than to write p/p/r. I don't think Lua is better or easier in any points used by awesome, i.e. the same could be done with a more common language. So, imho, there's no reason to use Lua here, except maybe being the prefered language of the awesome-team, I'm pretty sure the userbase could use p/p/r equally or even better/more.
It's basically the same with xmonad or ejabberd, both are very good, as are the used haskell and erlang, but imho, the use of such uncommon languages doesn't benefit to the applications progress or the user-experience. It's not bad to learn something new, but just for one task only(if my wm-configuration fits, I don't change it again)? I bet, one could write awesome software in whitespace or brainf*ck, but would this help or should we write down some assembler.
It's good to offer the users great power and flexibility, but it's useless, if the user can't make use of it. Look at fvwm, which imho is the most flexible wm. One can do so many funky things with it and still the configuration is pretty readable. Vim/emacs are both powerfull and easy to learn, but hard to master, but that's ok, since you most probably don't need any advanced feature right from the start, espacially when coming from something simple to use like i.e. gedit.
It may surely be, that i.e. awesome has something to offer which I wanted for years, but I'm long out of school/uni, have to take care for my wife and pets, have to work, have to sleep, have to socialise, etc.pp. and time is generally our most limited source, which I'm not willing to throw away easily - I'm surely not wasting time with gnome3/gnomeshell+js and so I'm not wasting time with awesome. As I sad, awesome started out nice and had all I wanted, but then they throw aboard their own principles and what they promised, so now they're not fitting me anymore and I'm throwing away awesome. |
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| Zepp wrote: | | Really? how does it break it? which bindings? |
Alt+n to switch Windows.
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| AidanJT wrote: | | Zepp wrote: | | Really? how does it break it? which bindings? |
Alt+n to switch Windows. |
hmm this never broke on mine when i used wmii, though I changed the mod key from alt to mod4, perhaps that's why.
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eh? you got those tiling wm's in the poll but u don't have e17?
EDIT: Who did the necro stuff? 
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| Zepp wrote: | Neither support Xinerama so they are useless to me.
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Bullshit. Anselm just finished full Xinerama in dwm.
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dwm rules
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| dreadlorde wrote: | | Zepp wrote: | Neither support Xinerama so they are useless to me.
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Bullshit. Anselm just finished full Xinerama in dwm. |
That's excellent news. I'll still prefer XMonad, but I really like dwm as a backup. |
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| Zepp wrote: | | hmm this never broke on mine when i used wmii, though I changed the mod key from alt to mod4, perhaps that's why. |
So did I. Yet, it's still broke.
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| dreadlorde wrote: | | Zepp wrote: | Neither support Xinerama so they are useless to me.
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Bullshit. Anselm just finished full Xinerama in dwm. |
Oh, I stand corrected, it's been a while. I have other complaints about dwm anyway though, I wish wmii had xinerama support, or Xmonad had wmii tagging and tiling. I think some of this can be done (the wmii stuff) but I not all.
| AidanJT wrote: | | Zepp wrote: | | hmm this never broke on mine when i used wmii, though I changed the mod key from alt to mod4, perhaps that's why. |
So did I. Yet, it's still broke. |
Weird.
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I like wmii the best, but dwm is more "linux-native", and very slightly faster (customizations being implemented by patching the C source), has fewer external requirements, and plays slightly better with X. Wmii seems a little prettier/friendlier. But they are both top of the heap, in my opinion.
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| BoneKracker wrote: | | I like wmii the best, but dwm is more "linux-native", and very slightly faster (customizations being implemented by patching the C source), has fewer external requirements, and plays slightly better with X. Wmii seems a little prettier/friendlier. But they are both top of the heap, in my opinion. |
dwm uses a different method of tiling right?
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| Zepp wrote: | | BoneKracker wrote: | | I like wmii the best, but dwm is more "linux-native", and very slightly faster (customizations being implemented by patching the C source), has fewer external requirements, and plays slightly better with X. Wmii seems a little prettier/friendlier. But they are both top of the heap, in my opinion. |
dwm uses a different method of tiling right? |
Yes, it's tiling dynamics are (by default) rudimentary compared to wmii. However, there are patches (there and elsewhere). You can easily patch it to add whatever kinds of tiling you want. I use two patches: the bottom-stack patch (a tiling layout); and pertag (lets you have different layouts on each workspace (tag).
Or, if you can code, you can create your own.
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