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| Ok, for my last 4 days off I have been struggling to get Compiz Fusion to run with my ATI VGA card. I have been working 24/7 on those days off trying to get it working. It all comes down to XGL. I can't get it for Gentoo. Why did you take it out of the portage tree, Gentoo? Just because it's a dead product doesn't mean it isn't needed. I can't even get an overlay for it. It's still easly accessible with other linux's, but not Gentoo. I see many other people on here with the same problem as me needing XGL. Perhaps I may come back to Gentoo some day if I get another system. But I am really disappointed. |
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dman777,
XGL is still around - there is even a forums sticky for it.
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jonnevers
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| Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject: Re: Leaving Gentoo |
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| dman777 wrote: | | Perhaps I may come back to Gentoo some day if I get another system. But I am really disappointed. |
XGL sucks and is old news.
ATI graphic drivers suck in all linux distributions. (though i hear noise they are improving greatly)
peace out. |
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asturm
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| I don't see the point in supporting XGL anymore. |
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| Open source 'ati' driver works well with aiglx. I am using it with ubuntu and radeon x600 pro card. Maybe your card isn't supported? |
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Dralnu
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XGL was a bad idea that is (hopefully) dead.
Maybe look into AIGLX?
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| For my curiosity, what's wrong with XGL, technically speaking (but in low detail)? |
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dleverton
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| Workaphobia wrote: | | For my curiosity, what's wrong with XGL, technically speaking (but in low detail)? |
There's nothing really fundamentally wrong with it, it's just a little buggy, and the more interesting backend (EGL) seems to have been pretty much abandoned. However, some people seem to have turned against it, now that it isn't the only X server capable of running Compiz. |
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| dman777 wrote: | | It doesn't matter XGL sucks....because it's my only choice!!!!! It's better than nothing!!!! Why can't that be understood????????? |
This is what I'm currently using... there are newer versions in upstream's git, but they either didn't work for me or require the unstable version of renderproto. Completely unsupported, use at your own risk, blah blah blah....
EDIT: or if you do want to use the unstable renderproto, you could try renaming it to xgl-0.0.1_pre20080125.ebuild, and change XGL_EGIT_TREE to e74732ae116070ceba6e1288dd0ac75976d3c267 and MESA_EGIT_TREE to 83768343f3cedffe67aeb01b2826366b9805e5db. I promise even less than normal that it will work, however.
| x11-base/xgl/xgl-0.0.1_pre20070530.ebuild wrote: | | Code: | # Copyright 1999-2008 Gentoo Foundation
# Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
# $Header: $
SNAPSHOT="yes"
inherit flag-o-matic git x-modular multilib
XGL_EGIT_REPO_URI="git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/xserver"
XGL_EGIT_PROJECT="xgl"
XGL_EGIT_BRANCH="xgl-0-0-1"
XGL_EGIT_TREE="b5271285d159393294279bd26445ac1aa0203227"
MESA_EGIT_REPO_URI="git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/mesa/mesa"
MESA_EGIT_PROJECT="mesa"
MESA_EGIT_BRANCH="master"
MESA_EGIT_TREE="6ca46505363072b628cbc0accc04c6db7e3f53a0"
XGL_S="${WORKDIR}/${PN}"
MESA_S="${WORKDIR}/mesa"
S="${XGL_S}"
DESCRIPTION="Xgl X server"
HOMEPAGE="http://xorg.freedesktop.org/"
SRC_URI=""
LICENSE="X11"
SLOT="0"
KEYWORDS="~x86 ~amd64 ~ppc"
IUSE="ipv6 xinerama"
DEPEND=">=media-libs/glitz-0.5.6
>=media-libs/mesa-6.5.2_pre20061102
x11-proto/xf86driproto
x11-proto/randrproto
x11-proto/renderproto
>=x11-proto/fixesproto-4.0
x11-proto/damageproto
x11-proto/xf86miscproto
>=x11-proto/scrnsaverproto-1.1
x11-proto/resourceproto
x11-proto/fontsproto
x11-proto/xf86dgaproto
x11-proto/videoproto
>=x11-proto/compositeproto-0.3
x11-proto/trapproto
x11-proto/recordproto
x11-proto/xineramaproto
x11-proto/evieext
x11-libs/libXfont
x11-libs/libxkbfile
x11-libs/libxkbui
x11-libs/libXxf86misc"
RESTRICT="mirror"
pkg_setup() {
# (#121394) Causes window corruption
filter-flags -fweb
CONFIGURE_OPTIONS="
$(use_enable ipv6)
$(use_enable xinerama)
--enable-xgl
--enable-xglx
--enable-glx
--enable-dri
--disable-xorg
--disable-aiglx
--disable-dmx
--disable-xvfb
--disable-xnest
--disable-xprint
--with-mesa-source=${MESA_S}
--sysconfdir=/etc/X11
--localstatedir=/var
--enable-install-setuid
--with-font-dir=/usr/share/fonts
--with-default-font-path=/usr/share/fonts/misc,/usr/share/fonts/75dpi,
/usr/share/fonts/100dpi,/usr/share/fonts/TTF,/usr/share/fonts/Type1"
}
# yuck :-(
x-modular_unpack_source() {
for v in ${!XGL_EGIT_*}; do
eval "${v#XGL_}=\"\${!v}\""
done
git_src_unpack
S="${MESA_S}"
for v in ${!MESA_EGIT_*}; do
eval "${v#MESA_}=\"\${!v}\""
done
git_src_unpack
S="${XGL_S}"
cd "${S}"
}
src_install() {
x-modular_src_install
rm "${D}/usr/share/aclocal/xorg-server.m4" \
"${D}/usr/share/X11/xkb/compiled/README.compiled" \
"${D}/usr/$(get_libdir)/xserver/SecurityPolicy" \
"${D}/usr/$(get_libdir)/pkgconfig/xorg-server.pc" \
"${D}/usr/share/man/man1/Xserver.1"
}
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dman777,
OK, you are still here and you have had your rant. Calm down and get good nights sleep.
When you feel refreshed, if you want to go about tackling the issues one at a time in a logical sequence, post back with the following information.
1) Your lspci output - we need to see for ourselves what chipset and video card you have.
2) What instructions you followed
3) What you did.
4) What happened.
5) What you expected to happen
6) Any error messages you got - *exactly*. Paraphrased error messages are useless.
With the above information, we may be able to understand your issues then fix them.
GLX works for lots of people, why not you ?
Incidentily, the tarball(s) you need will still be around. If binary distros are offering GLX, under the GPL, they must make source available too.
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dman777
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If I change the ebuild to 20070127 do I also have to change the XGL_EGIT_TREE and MESA_EGIT_TREE lines? And if so, how do I find out what they are?
Thanks,
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Rad
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| dman777 wrote: |
AND XGL IS NOT STILL AROUND FOR GENTOO. I HAVE ONLY MANAGED TO GET MY HANDS ON TWO VERSIONS. ONE WOULDN'T INSTALL BECAUSE IT COULDN'T FIND A TAR FILE. THE OTHER WOULDN'T INSTALL BECAUSE OF SOME ERROR OF AT THE END OF THE INSTALLATION. SO THEREFORE, THERE IS NO XGL FOR GENTOO! THAT MEANS IF I WANT TO USE GENTOO AND COMPIZ FUSION, I CAN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Dude, you flip over one particular piece of eye candy missing on your machine? Chill...
And I also suggest you to use the Sabayon overlay, or even full Sabayon to get a Gentoo with XGL. Its proven to work on a lot of machines. |
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dman777
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Ok, I just did a fresh install of Gentoo(for the 3rd time). I am going to try this again. I like Gentoo alot and really want this to work. I don't want to mess up or clutter my OS so can someone please tell me:
The Wiki Gentoo Doc is really outdated. Do I still need to do these steps? -
1)The first thing we will do is emerge Cairo.
# emerge --ask --verbose cairo
Rebuild pango and gtk+ against the newly built Cairo package.
# emerge --ask --verbose pango gtk+
2) Emerge Xgl and Mesa:
# emerge --ask --verbose --noreplace mesa
3) Someone told me I need to emerge mesa-progs, is this true?
4) I know for a fact that XGL release 20070127 works because I acquired it with Ubuntu and it ran good. In that script that was posted(thank you dleverton) if I change the ebuild date, will I have to change the mesa_egit_tree and xgl_edit_tree also?
Thank you,
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rgviza
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: Leaving Gentoo |
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| dman777 wrote: | | Ok, for my last 4 days off I have been struggling to get Compiz Fusion to run with my ATI VGA card. I have been working 24/7 on those days off trying to get it working. It all comes down to XGL. I can't get it for Gentoo. Why did you take it out of the portage tree, Gentoo? Just because it's a dead product doesn't mean it isn't needed. I can't even get an overlay for it. It's still easly accessible with other linux's, but not Gentoo. I see many other people on here with the same problem as me needing XGL. Perhaps I may come back to Gentoo some day if I get another system. But I am really disappointed. |
http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_compiz-fusion
worked for me on amd64, but I'm using nvidia card. ATI's issues are not gentoo's fault ; ) |
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Hi, I've been trying to get compiz-fusion to work for 3 weeks ( I'm working and having lot of other stuff to do ), but finally I've realized that running xorg1.4 is not a good idea for compiz. I was so desperate that I've downgraded all most entire system from ~amd64 to amd64 and after few hours I've reminded that somewhere I've seen something about xorg 1.4 not being ready for compiz ;X. After that I was going with plenty of FAQ + HOWTO ... non of them seamed to work. Finally helpful was this post regarding SUSE -> http://linux.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/update-running-compiz-fusion-using-ati-cards-and-aiglx/
I'ts updated in november - so includes info upon a bit more recent ati drivers ( 8.433 ). Just followed that and started compiz with command
| Code: | | LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=true compiz --replace ccp & |
If you are able to start this and it will not crash then you are prety well there. No windows border is caused ( in my case was ) usually by this that our window decoration is not set ( compizconfig Setting Manager -> Effects -> Window Decoration -> in "command" field" type "emerald --replace" ) as well as theme it self is not set ( go to emerald and set something ). Now you should restart you computer ( restarting X will do but you want to be sure ) -> starting compiz-fusion with command above and you can play with it.
You can put
| Code: | | LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=true |
into your /etc/env.d/03openl and then run
so from now on you will be able to run compiz with
| Code: | | compiz --replace ccp & |
right now I'm working on "how to get it starting automatically" and "how in a ..... I can get proper video playback in compiz" - but I'll get there
As side note: Look, for past 2 moths I'm sitting in work to 10 - 11 hours because we have new line of product on horizon and software for them has to be ready ASP - if you are sitting upon this for last 4 days as you have stated in your first post 24/7 then you've spent more time then me .... and you really have problem with google because this link is first in list when you type "compiz fusion ati-drivers' in google - but don't worry - me to  . Problem nowadays is that all most nobody is giving their xorg.conf .... and option “RENDER” “true” && “IgnoreABI” “on” helped A LOT !! right now I'm running on ati-drivers-8.452 and everything goes smooth ( except for video ;X ).
Problems with gentoo is not usually caused by crap design of system etc. - it's usually people ignorance + crap software - not to many system can give such a flexibility as gentoo - right now in my company we are thinking about putting linux into our units ( as front pannel software ) to drive all hardware in units - and aparently gentoo is the distro we can easly configure / manipulate / change / update ( front panel will have Atmel arm9 SOC chip on it - right now is early draft but development will start on April ) - I 'dont know if ubuntu is capable of it .... yea and it has compiz-fusion out of the box - which will go crap when you update something on you system - read their forum.
(important) UPDATE:
putting
| Code: | | LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=true |
into your /etc/env.d/03openl
is not a good idea, because .... whenever you will update ati-drivers it will get overwritten by default ( which means - you will have to add it again ;X ). Right now I'm trying some other ways to set this variable permanently.
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Hey, Wally... thank you for all your help. I got it running. It's got some bugs but I am working them out right now. Thank you again!
-Darin |
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wally_tm
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no problem mate
BTW, quick question to "all knowing" persons: How to set LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=true globally so it won't get replaced/overwritten as in 03opengl file .....
right now I'm starting compiz-fusion through gnome sessions, by executing command
| Code: | | env LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=true compiz --replace ccp |
on each gnome start .... well this works, BUT it has performance impact, because all env details has to be copied to separate environment + variable has to be changed .... and doing so durrning start time is quite slow.
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in some /etc/env.d file (i stuck this in 99local)
| Code: | | WINDOW_MANAGER=/usr/local/bin/compiz-start |
cat $WINDOW_MANAGER
| Code: | # compiz-start script
#
# hacky autodetection of neccessary options for XGL/AIGLX/NVIDIA
#
# Hanno Boeck, http://www.hboeck.de/
#
# Licensed under the same conditions as compiz itself (MIT or GPL)
if [ ! -x /usr/bin/glxinfo ]; then
echo "glxinfo not found, please install mesa-progs."
exit -1
fi
GLX_WITH_DIRECT=`glxinfo|grep -c GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap`
GLX_WITH_INDIRECT=`LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 glxinfo|grep -c GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap`
GLX_RENDER=`glxinfo|grep -c "OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect"`
COMPIZ_OPTIONS="--replace ccp --sm-disable"
if [ $GLX_WITH_DIRECT -eq 3 ]; then
if [ $GLX_RENDER -eq 0 ]; then
echo NVIDA detected
export __GL_YIELD="NOTHING"
else
echo XGL detected
fi
elif [ $GLX_WITH_INDIRECT -eq 3 ]; then
echo AIGLX detected
export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1
fi
if [ ! -z $KDE_FULL_SESSION ] && [ -x /usr/bin/kde-window-decorator ]; then
echo Using KDE decorator
kde-window-decorator --replace &
else
echo Using GTK decorator
gtk-window-decorator --replace &
fi
compiz $COMPIZ_OPTIONS gconf move resize minimize place decoration wobbly fade cube rotate scale switcher zoom dbus |
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If you're not leaving anymore can you edit your original post to reflect that (maybe add "changed my mind" or summat ;) If you are, bye :-)
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| Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| dman777 wrote: | 1)The first thing we will do is emerge Cairo.
# emerge --ask --verbose cairo
Rebuild pango and gtk+ against the newly built Cairo package.
# emerge --ask --verbose pango gtk+
2) Emerge Xgl and Mesa:
# emerge --ask --verbose --noreplace mesa
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you should add the -1 parameter to these types of emerge commands, this will keep them from erroneously being put into your world file. since they are just deps.
| Code: | | emerge -1 -av pango gtk+ |
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| jonnevers wrote: |
you should add the -1 parameter to these types of emerge commands, this will keep them from erroneously being put into your world file. since they are just deps.
| Code: | | emerge -1 -av pango gtk+ |
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Speaking of which, I've already managed to do this at some point - that is, emerge dependencies without --oneshot, which makes a mess of my world file. My solution was to edit the world file directly (backing up the original), deleting packages which were obviously dependencies and retaining only the packages which I'd explicitly installed. The result was not a series of errors upon a new emerge, but instead | Code: | | emerge -avDuN world |
produced different package lists for the two versions of the /var/lib/portage/world file: more packages for the unedited version. It seems to me that if I had deleted only the dependencies from world, then I should get the same result for both my edited and unedited world files.
1. Is this assumption correct?
2. What would be an appropriate method for repairing a world file cluttered with dependencies?
Thanks.
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| csteeves wrote: | It seems to me that if I had deleted only the dependencies from world, then I should get the same result for both my edited and unedited world files.
1. Is this assumption correct?
2. What would be an appropriate method for repairing a world file cluttered with dependencies?
Thanks.
Craig |
1. nah, I don't think so (but perhaps). It's probably taking a closer look because of the extra world entries. I'm interested to see what the two emerge lists look like and how exactly they differ.
try adding a -t (order by emerge depenency) to see what is pulling in what between the two world files.
2. I'd just do what you've done, afaik there isn't any other way. |
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