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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:12 am    Post subject: [NEWS] Discuss news announcements on the forums Reply with quote

This forums thread is for discussion of the www.gentoo.org posting, "Discuss news announcements on the forums." Post your comments and suggestions here.

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Got opinions? Starting now, all news announcements will carry a "Discuss this!" link at the bottom that will send you to a forums thread dedicated to that news. Share your thoughts and ideas on news with the rest of the Gentoo community.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes! this is something i felt was missing. a step in a good direction imho.

let's just hope that user input is actually taken into consideration. otherwise it would be a feature with little purpose.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, I think it is good idea too.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yoshi314 wrote:
let's just hope that user input is actually taken into consideration. otherwise it would be a feature with little purpose.


By the way thanks to update the site :)

Since it's about the news, is there any information about the new 2008.0 profile ? Like, what's, can we expect that GCC 4.2 or 4.3 will be in it....

There is little information about that right now.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool idea.....

Would be cool if you could add a comment funktion to the gentoo installation documentation, too. This might avoid some Forum posts and could build up a foundation for documentation improvements.

Anyway, Gentoo is on a fast-forward right now, keep it this way!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent idea. This will create more interaction in the community concerning current topics.

Hopefully Gentoo will come back on track!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow I didn't realise that was automated: excellent idea!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good idea. :)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great idea. This will hopefully mean that the devs/trustee's/foundation/whoever can get a better idea of what everyone thinks. I'd like to see this for the monthly news letter as well if possible?

I just hope any (sensible) negative responses will be taken note of and not ignored.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

d2_racing wrote:
yoshi314 wrote:
let's just hope that user input is actually taken into consideration. otherwise it would be a feature with little purpose.

Since it's about the news, is there any information about the new 2008.0 profile ? Like, what's, can we expect that GCC 4.2 or 4.3 will be in it....


Not speaking for release team, but I don't think a drastic GCC change will be done in such a short time. 4.2 is relatively nice regarding breaking stuff, but all fixed packags have to hit the stable tree and need to mature more....so no 4.2 in the next release. But you will see KDE 3.5.8 in it (already stable on amd64, x86 to follow tomorrow).
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

punkmikey wrote:
Great idea. This will hopefully mean that the devs/trustee's/foundation/whoever can get a better idea of what everyone thinks. I'd like to see this for the monthly news letter as well if possible?

I just hope any (sensible) negative responses will be taken note of and not ignored.


People really try to, but in some cases lacking man power is the limitation. There has always been the gwn/gmn-feedback address, but I am sure an official thread will be installed for the next release of the GMN.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had despaired of Gentoo lasting another year, as a useful distro.

I'm glad to see that things are happening.
Thank you for taking the time.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not speaking for release team, but I don't think a drastic GCC change will be done in such a short time. 4.2 is relatively nice regarding breaking stuff
gcc 4.3 is supposedly more friendly - meaning less packages will need patches to build, but that's just what i heard so i can't really support that opinion.

anyway it's too early to use 4.3 or 4.2 for a stage.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yoshi314 wrote:
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Not speaking for release team, but I don't think a drastic GCC change will be done in such a short time. 4.2 is relatively nice regarding breaking stuff
gcc 4.3 is supposedly more friendly - meaning less packages will need patches to build, but that's just what i heard so i can't really support that opinion.


A GCC porter for Gentoo says differently...and I believe him a lot. :)

http://psykil.livejournal.com/321090.html:
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This version ranks near the high end of the disruptive scale, unlike the 4.2 upgrade, with many packages needing patching to build.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this is a great idea, also you think you could put them in their own sub-forum and block new posts from being created from normal users? I think this would help people find old news topics and information easier.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be nice if the forum post actually contained the news announcement, instead of only a link. That way you don't have to go out of your way to read what the announcement actually was about.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlackEdder wrote:
It would be nice if the forum post actually contained the news announcement, instead of only a link. That way you don't have to go out of your way to read what the announcement actually was about.

+1

but,still it's very good that we can discuss the official news here...
thx!...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent idea. Thanks and keep up the good work. :D
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a great idea. Thanks to all the people working to get gentoo going again. The progress has been excellent.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i approve of this idea.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

treffer wrote:
Would be cool if you could add a comment funktion to the gentoo installation documentation, too. This might avoid some Forum posts and could build up a foundation for documentation improvements.

No. Our documentation is not a wiki, nor do we want our guides to be cluttered like gentoo-wiki.com. If you have problems following the documentation, go to these forums for community support. If you see a problem with the documentation or have suggestions for it, open a bug. Comment pages for the documentation are useless.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Discuss news announcements on the forums Reply with quote

dberkholz wrote:
This forums thread is for discussion of the www.gentoo.org posting, "Discuss news announcements on the forums." Post your comments and suggestions here.


Paapaa wrote:
Let every news item on front page have a link to forum thread on a new Gentoo news forum.


http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-621857-highlight-.html

Now I feel proud of myself :) Anyway, very good idea and thanks for implementing it! I'd actually create a separate forum for these threads. A forum where nobody could create new threads.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BlackEdder wrote:
It would be nice if the forum post actually contained the news announcement, instead of only a link. That way you don't have to go out of your way to read what the announcement actually was about.

Done.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with everyone, discussion for announcements is a really good idea.

nightmorph wrote:
treffer wrote:
Would be cool if you could add a comment funktion to the gentoo installation documentation, too. This might avoid some Forum posts and could build up a foundation for documentation improvements.

No. Our documentation is not a wiki, nor do we want our guides to be cluttered like gentoo-wiki.com. If you have problems following the documentation, go to these forums for community support. If you see a problem with the documentation or have suggestions for it, open a bug. Comment pages for the documentation are useless.


I think the official PHP documentation "user notes" can be an example of where discussion in documentation serve a very good purpose and are very effective. People use them to point out quirks and gotchas (not bugs), or elaborations.

But the PHP documentation comments are heavily moderated, which is pretty much a necessity. I'm not sure if Gentoo has the resources to do that level of moderation.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Excellent! PR's really done a great job over the past week. This new rate of front-page posts does wonders for a lot of people's perceptions of gentoo, and an automated discussion thread is a great way to throw more fuel in the fire.
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