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jmbsvicetto
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 Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:46 am Post subject: Gentoo-xeffects EOL |
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This is an official annoucement that the gentoo-xeffects overlay has reached its end-of-life.
Alex (nesl247) and I decided we no longer were interested in keep running the gentoo-xeffects server and agreed to not renew its subscription after the end of December. Thus, the gentoo-xeffects overlay is no longer available.
I've put all the ebuilds in the xeffects overlay under my git dev overlay on http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/ where I plan to keep them for at least the next 15 days. If you want to get any of the ebuilds, you can use the gitweb interface to get it or you can clone the overlay with git clone git://git.overlays.gentoo.org/dev/jmbsvicetto.git. I have a local copy of all files that were available under http://distfiles.gentoo-xeffects.org so if someone is interested, drop me a note here, on IRC or through any of my contacts.
So, what's next? I didn't wanted to keep the server running because I wasn't available to keep the financial commitment, but I'm still interested in compiz, compiz-fusion and related packages. As such, I'm starting a new overlay with Ingmar Vanhassel (ingmar/ingmarv) and Wulf C. Krueger (philantrop) that will be named desktop-effects and will also be available from http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/. As indicated by its new name, this overlay will have a different scope and will start with a subset of the xeffects ebuilds. Expect more details to follow in the US forum and or in the #gentoo-xeffects irc channel.
I want to thank everyone that worked on the coffee_buzz / gentoo-xeffects overlay for their hard work. In particular, I want to thank coffee_buzz, nesl247 and roderick. Without you and your work, the rest of us wouldn't had / be having so much fun with compiz / compiz-quinnstorm / beryl / compcomm / compiz-fusion and friends.
[edit]About desktop-effects please check this thread.[/edit]
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phaseburn
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 10:16 am Post subject: |
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As an xeffects overlay user for quite some time, let me be the first to thank you for all your hard work with the overlay.
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bianco
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...You are my sunshine... thank you 
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| Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Great! I was worried all that work was just going to disappear.
I look forward to having all my effects back!
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I want to thank everyone that worked on the coffee_buzz / gentoo-xeffects overlay for their hard work. In particular, I want to thank coffee_buzz, nesl247 and roderick. Without you and your work, the rest of us wouldn't had / be having so much fun with compiz / compiz-quinnstorm / beryl / compcomm / compiz-fusion and friends. |
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thank you & jmbsvicetto - without you guys my desktop "experience" from gentoo wouldn't be so much fun 
may desktop-effects become an even greater overlay
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jonnevers
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| Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: Gentoo-xeffects EOL |
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| jmbsvicetto wrote: | | As such, I'm starting a new overlay with Ingmar Vanhassel (ingmar/ingmarv) and Wulf C. Krueger (philantrop) that will be named desktop-effects and will also be available from http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/. As indicated by its new name, this overlay will have a different scope and will start with a subset of the xeffects ebuilds. Expect more details to follow in the US forum and or in the #gentoo-xeffects irc channel. |
any ETA? just curious, right now the arcon-portage overlay also includes working compiz-fusion 9999 ebuilds.
besides C-F, what do you see going into the desktop-effects overlay? |
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| Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for great work!
But by the way, what with xeffects "officialization" — I read that xeffects team has been invited to maintain corresponding packages in official portage tree |
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| Have anyone saved xeffexts bugzilla? Several patches may be useful for future work. |
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cocoliso
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As a user of the xeffects tree i also would like to thank all the devs for their hard work!!!
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Thanks for your hard work! I loved the xeffects OL.
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thewtex
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| Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Echoing thanks for the xeffects overlay |
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ChrisJumper
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:02 am Post subject: |
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Thank you all, coffee_buzz, nesl247, roderick and jmbsvicetto!
I know, that i will miss it. |
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gionnico
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| Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 1:03 am Post subject: Re: Gentoo-xeffects EOL |
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| jmbsvicetto wrote: | This is an official annoucement that the gentoo-xeffects overlay has reached its end-of-life.
Alex (nesl247) and I decided we no longer were interested in keep running the gentoo-xeffects server and agreed to not renew its subscription after the end of December. Thus, the gentoo-xeffects overlay is no longer available.
I've put all the ebuilds in the xeffects overlay under my git dev overlay on http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/gitweb/ where I plan to keep them for at least the next 15 days. If you want to get any of the ebuilds, you can use the gitweb interface to get it or you can clone the overlay with git clone git://git.overlays.gentoo.org/dev/jmbsvicetto.git. I have a local copy of all files that were available under http://distfiles.gentoo-xeffects.org so if someone is interested, drop me a note here, on IRC or through any of my contacts.
So, what's next? I didn't wanted to keep the server running because I wasn't available to keep the financial commitment, but I'm still interested in compiz, compiz-fusion and related packages. As such, I'm starting a new overlay with Ingmar Vanhassel (ingmar/ingmarv) and Wulf C. Krueger (philantrop) that will be named desktop-effects and will also be available from http://git.overlays.gentoo.org/. As indicated by its new name, this overlay will have a different scope and will start with a subset of the xeffects ebuilds. Expect more details to follow in the US forum and or in the #gentoo-xeffects irc channel.
I want to thank everyone that worked on the coffee_buzz / gentoo-xeffects overlay for their hard work. In particular, I want to thank coffee_buzz, nesl247 and roderick. Without you and your work, the rest of us wouldn't had / be having so much fun with compiz / compiz-quinnstorm / beryl / compcomm / compiz-fusion and friends. |
You made a great work!!
Now .. can I use layman to add your overlay? |
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Belliash
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Ingmarv
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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As all desktop-effects devs work on kde-4.0.0, we expect to go live early next week, when our work on KDE 4.0 is finished.
| Belliash wrote: | All (i guess so) ebuild are easily accessible via Arcon Overlay.
They are all still maintained and we are trying to keep them up-to-date. |
Yes, thanks for that in incredibly useful piece of information...</sarcasm>
Arcon is also thé overlay with the most horrible ebuilds, reputation and alot of improperly maintained cruft, you can rest assured the majority of all devs will close your bugs if you use the arcon overlay.
I'll let users decide if they still want to use arcon of not... |
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Ingmarv wrote: | | Arcon is also thé overlay with the most horrible ebuilds, reputation and alot of improperly maintained cruft, you can rest assured the majority of all devs will close your bugs if you use the arcon overlay. |
I for one will, yes. |
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jonnevers
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Ingmarv wrote: | Arcon is also thé overlay with the most horrible ebuilds, reputation and alot of improperly maintained cruft, you can rest assured the majority of all devs will close your bugs if you use the arcon overlay.
I'll let users decide if they still want to use arcon of not... |
well, I'm not a gentoo dev and I haven't looked into all of the arcon-overlay so I cannot comment on the quality of their ebuilds. I did notice they have a TON which scares the crap out of me.
but I never use an entire overlay as it is upstream, I prefer to use soft links from my personal overlay to the packages I want from a specific overlay. I did the same thing with xeffects... too much ancillary packages. |
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| Ingmarv wrote: | | Arcon is also thé overlay with the most horrible ebuilds, reputation and alot of improperly maintained cruft, you can rest assured the majority of all devs will close your bugs if you use the arcon overlay. |
I will agree with this as well. I looked at the ebuilds in there and some of them point to the old xeffects website as the download location, so those ebuilds will not even work.  The maintainer of that overlay didn't even bother to change the DL location of the patches/program tarballs to his own server. Isn't that violating one of the unspoken rules of mirroring?
Note to all: The pertty/xeffects ebuilds in that overlat will most likely not be updated, so there is no point in grabbing it. Just throw the old ebuilds in an manually created overlay. It's not too difficult to do:
mkdir ${PORTDIR_OVERLAY}/[name it something]
edit /etc/make.conf to add that path in the PORTDIR_OVERLAY variable.
I swear, people really rely on layman too much and they forgot how to make their own overlays. I use to have 7 manually created overlays on my system for various things. It really isn't that hard. 
Anyways, pertty/kip/xeffects are all officially dead now. The old ebuilds are a complete mess. If you want the effects of the pertty/xeffects ebuilds, KDE4 has most of that eye candy and is officially supported. I still haven't decided if I want to update the ebuilds or not. I know the Dvs would prefer that they weren't updated and would just disappear, and they may do that now that KDE4 is out since most of the die hard pertty users are experimentalist and will want to use KDE4.
Cheers.
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Belliash
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| Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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We are effectively updating ebuilds...
Don't forget we are just humans, we have our lifes...
Noone forces You to use ebuilds from Arcon. I just writen they are mirrored there.
You have 2 options:
* don't use it
* report bugs, be patient, let us fix all bugs and feel free to use ebuilds from arcon overlay.
It also contains ebuilds not included in general portage tree...
Overlay should be also listed on layman's default list.
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Belliash
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We are effectively updating ebuilds...
Don't forget we are just humans, we have our lifes...
Noone forces You to use ebuilds from Arcon. I just writen they are mirrored there.
You have 2 options:
* don't use it
* report bugs, be patient, let us fix all bugs and feel free to use ebuilds from arcon overlay.
It also contains ebuilds not included in general portage tree...
Overlay should be also listed on layman's default list.
| StifflerStealth wrote: | | Ingmarv wrote: | | Arcon is also thé overlay with the most horrible ebuilds, reputation and alot of improperly maintained cruft, you can rest assured the majority of all devs will close your bugs if you use the arcon overlay. |
I will agree with this as well. I looked at the ebuilds in there and some of them point to the old xeffects website as the download location, so those ebuilds will not even work. The maintainer of that overlay didn't even bother to change the DL location of the patches/program tarballs to his own server. Isn't that violating one of the unspoken rules of mirroring? |
AFAIK ebuilds located on mirror posted in 1st post also shouldn't work, coz they also points to non-exists xeffects distfiles...
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Some more thanks from my direction guys, volunteer work is always much appreciated.
May I make a suggestion for the future? Like jonnevers, I prefer to manually manage everything I install from overlays, so I never really liked the fact that many ebuilds in the xeffects overlay were marked as stable. I use a stable system you see, so having everything in the overlay marked as unstable would allow me to choose exactly what I want through package.keywords, which is IMHO much cleaner than symlinks, and also allows the stale package entries to be cleaned using tools like eix.
I realize this would increase overhead for people who want to install a lot from the overlay. But I would think most of those who would do so run unstable systems anyway. Also anyone who runs stable should think twice before using anything from any overlay, so having to unmask specific packages seems like the proper way to go.
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Belliash
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| ExZombie wrote: | Some more thanks from my direction guys, volunteer work is always much appreciated.
May I make a suggestion for the future? Like jonnevers, I prefer to manually manage everything I install from overlays, so I never really liked the fact that many ebuilds in the xeffects overlay were marked as stable. I use a stable system you see, so having everything in the overlay marked as unstable would allow me to choose exactly what I want through package.keywords, which is IMHO much cleaner than symlinks, and also allows the stale package entries to be cleaned using tools like eix.
I realize this would increase overhead for people who want to install a lot from the overlay. But I would think most of those who would do so run unstable systems anyway. Also anyone who runs stable should think twice before using anything from any overlay, so having to unmask specific packages seems like the proper way to go.
Whichever way you take, much thanks. |
It is possible to mask package from specified overlay...
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Gentoo-xeffects EOL |
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sorry for my poor english
and be a lover of compiz-fusion/beryl
thanks for yours hard work |
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gionnico
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| Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Belliash wrote: |
It is possible to mask package from specified overlay... |
How?
I've made an xml file pointing to jmbsvicetto's personal overlay.
Here's the code, you can put it in a local file or in a website, edit the layman's source XMLs and use it for "layman -a jmbsvicetto"
/usr/portage/local/layman/my-list.xml
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<layman>
<overlay type="git" src="git://git.overlays.gentoo.org/dev/jmbsvicetto.git" contact="jmbsvicetto@gentoo.org" name="jmbsvicetto">
<link>http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-641342.html</link>
<description>jmbsvicetto personal overlay (xeffects included)</description>
</overlay>
</layman>
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