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| Maybe it's just me but I can't seem to find a definitive answer: has there been any word on when the 4.1 final ebuilds will make it into Portage? I know the official release is set for the 29th but I'm curious how long after that it will take for the official ebuilds to become available. |
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Letharion
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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Chances are it's gonna take a few weeks. Months if you'r gonna wait for it to be stable, and not ~arch.
Anyway, that's just wild wild guesses. Could be days, or a year. |
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| jeanfrancis wrote: | | skibbi wrote: | OK thanks but found a thread in "unspported software" where a kdesvn overlay was mentioned. This is sufficient for me.  |
Yes it does exist, but you won't get KDE 4.1 RC1 from it. You will get the SVN snapshot of the "moment" when you install it (directly from the KDE team code repositories). This repository is already switched on the KDE 4.2 development (I have 4.1.60 here) and is never very stable. I recommand you to wait a bit more and get KDE 4.1 when it enters Portage  |
That is not completely correct.
If you get the kdesvn-portage overlay as described in this thread:
- http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-694231-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-0.html
and keyword the 4.0.98 ebuilds,
you get the RC1.
If you simply keyword all ebuilds as ":kde-4.1", you get the most recent kde-4.1 stuff. Example package.keywords/kde4 entry:
kde-base/kdebase-startkde:kde-4.1 **
(I use amd64, so I get "missing keyword" errors which require me to keyword with "**" ).
It builds and works (and I run it as working environment).
And I'd love to see the ebuilds entering on 29th - Gentoo would be up front again.
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Letharion
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| ArneBab wrote: |
And I'd love to see the ebuilds entering on 29th - Gentoo would be up front again. |
Me too
But I fear it might a little too big a project for the devs to get it done, with any kind of quality, in that timeframe
Perhaps there's something "official" about the project on "the planet" or "in the universe"? I haven't checked. Anyone else? |
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| Letharion wrote: | | ArneBab wrote: |
And I'd love to see the ebuilds entering on 29th - Gentoo would be up front again. |
Me too
But I fear it might a little too big a project for the devs to get it done, with any kind of quality, in that timeframe |
There are already working and tested ebuilds available in the overlay, and ~amd/~x86 ... is for testing, so maybe the devs can just get them in to give us the chance to test them and submit bug reports.
Should be about 271 seperate ebuilds, and the only necessary action should be increasing the version from 4.0.98 to 4.0.99 plus soem quality checking.
Maybe the devs could write a post about the quality requirements for getting the ebuilds into portage, so we could check the KDE 4.1.0 ebuilds ourselves.
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| My hard drive just kicked the bucket, so I'm in the middle of a fresh install right now. The possibly imminent release of KDE 4.1 has me in a bit of a pickle. I run a ~arch system, so I'll be installing kde 4.1 as soon as it's in portage anyway. My dilemma is whether I want to bother compiling kde 3.5.9 and/or kde 4.0.5 tomorrow so I can have a DE until next week, or just wait a week for 4.1 And it depends on how soon ebuilds are expected to be released. With the 4.0.x releases, packages made it to portage within a day or two. But I realize that kde 4.1 is probably more complicated than a bug fix release. Are we expecting the same amazing turn around time, or would I be running CLI for 2 or 3 weeks instead of 1 (in which case, it would be worthwhile to spend a day compiling one of the current kde's)? |
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ArneBab
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You could just install the rc1, or rather 4.0.99.
It works better than 4.0.5 (less bug bites for me).
Also I just saw, that the slot is now 4.1, so you could just keyword ":4.1" packets.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:01 am Post subject: ebuilds are totally overrated... |
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ebuilds, eh? pfff, totally overrated. Play with the windows binaries or start the OpenSuse KDE4Live CD iso with qemu. So much cooler!
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Letharion
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| ArneBab wrote: | | Letharion wrote: | | ArneBab wrote: |
And I'd love to see the ebuilds entering on 29th - Gentoo would be up front again. |
Me too
But I fear it might a little too big a project for the devs to get it done, with any kind of quality, in that timeframe |
There are already working and tested ebuilds available in the overlay, and ~amd/~x86 ... is for testing, so maybe the devs can just get them in to give us the chance to test them and submit bug reports.
Should be about 271 seperate ebuilds, and the only necessary action should be increasing the version from 4.0.98 to 4.0.99 plus soem quality checking.
Maybe the devs could write a post about the quality requirements for getting the ebuilds into portage, so we could check the KDE 4.1.0 ebuilds ourselves. |
Just to make it clear, the ebuilds that you talk about in the overlay, do they require Paludis? Cause I wanted to try them a few weeks ago, but got into problems somewhere along the way of the whole git+overlay+paludis=kde4 thingie, don't remember where exactly.
Or are there portage ebuilds and I just missed those?
Nevermind, after I read your post (and posted this) I googled, and found that there are portage ebuilds Gonna try em now. |
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If you can't wait, use the 4.1.0 ebuilds in kdesvn-portage overlay.
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| rek2 wrote: | I was just making a joke obviosly I have planny of things to do in the mean time they come out 
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Yeah you do have plenty of things to do - like start writing us some ebuilds. :-p
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Some questions:
* So was there ever a kde-4.0 in portage then? (not talking about the overlay) Because I can't find it.
* Is a kde-4.1 expected to appear in portage soon-ish? Educated guesses would be welcome.
* If I were to install from the overlay now, would it require a total re-emerge to switch to the portage version?
* When I tried kde-4.0 from the overlay before, things got screwed up a bit with my kde-3.5 install. Like changed/missing icons and such. How could that have happened? I un-merged the whole thing because it was too unstable, and 3.5 went back to normal. Can it happen again with 4.1?
Thanks in advance for your reply! |
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| Michiel_H wrote: | | * So was there ever a kde-4.0 in portage then? (not talking about the overlay) Because I can't find it. |
Yes, it's there, but hardmasked. Look in /usr/portage/kde-base/kdelibs/ for example.
| Michiel_H wrote: | | * Is a kde-4.1 expected to appear in portage soon-ish? Educated guesses would be welcome. |
Officially there is no ETA. It seems our KDE team is deadlocked in internal political issues, on top of being understaffed. So my guess would be: not soon.
| Michiel_H wrote: | | * If I were to install from the overlay now, would it require a total re-emerge to switch to the portage version? |
No, I would think the differences would be minimal anyway.
| Michiel_H wrote: | | * When I tried kde-4.0 from the overlay before, things got screwed up a bit with my kde-3.5 install. Like changed/missing icons and such. How could that have happened? I un-merged the whole thing because it was too unstable, and 3.5 went back to normal. Can it happen again with 4.1? |
In my experience that will definitely happen, unless you use kde-3 with one user and kde-4 with another. Both version use the ~/.kde symlink to store user configuration and mixing 3.5 and 4.1 configurations is not recommended, and can lead to such issues as you mentioned.
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| yngwin wrote: |
Officially there is no ETA. It seems our KDE team is deadlocked in internal political issues, on top of being understaffed. So my guess would be: not soon. |
What do you mean by that?  |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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kde 4.1 avalieble via kdesvn-portage overlay since 29.07.2008 =)
so everybody can install it =)
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I would install a couple of packages from a third party overlay, but not a DE that is of extreme importance to the system. I guess I'll have to wait until the official version 4.1 hits portage.
I hope the KDE team gets over its problems and does the good job that always does.
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Great news, I'll upgrade to 4.1 as soon as it comes in portage.
That means: a new hard drive, new gentoo 2008.0 AMD64 installation, and hoping that Kmail, Kopete, Kwallet, Konversation, Konqueror bookmarks can be easily transferred. I guess it won't be without some fallout, but I hope it will be minimum trouble.
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| alexxy wrote: | kde 4.1 avalieble via kdesvn-portage overlay since 29.07.2008 =)
so everybody can install it =) |
Very nice, but can you please tell me how can I install it, since my layman doesn't find kdesvn-portage?
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| Yukimura wrote: | | alexxy wrote: | kde 4.1 avalieble via kdesvn-portage overlay since 29.07.2008 =)
so everybody can install it =) |
Very nice, but can you please tell me how can I install it, since my layman doesn't find kdesvn-portage?
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Try fetching first...perhaps makesure that you have the latest stable version (1.1.1)
| Code: | layman -L
layman -a kdesvn-portage |
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| coolsnowmen wrote: | | Yukimura wrote: | | alexxy wrote: | kde 4.1 avalieble via kdesvn-portage overlay since 29.07.2008 =)
so everybody can install it =) |
Very nice, but can you please tell me how can I install it, since my layman doesn't find kdesvn-portage?
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Try fetching first...perhaps makesure that you have the latest stable version (1.1.1)
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layman -a kdesvn-portage |
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Thank you very much! I only found kde overlay.
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| Quote: | Thank you very much! I only found kde overlay.
Kind regards |
Sorry, -k is deprecated, do -L, then add it.[/quote]
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| yngwin wrote: | | Michiel_H wrote: | | * When I tried kde-4.0 from the overlay before, things got screwed up a bit with my kde-3.5 install. Like changed/missing icons and such. How could that have happened? I un-merged the whole thing because it was too unstable, and 3.5 went back to normal. Can it happen again with 4.1? |
In my experience that will definitely happen, unless you use kde-3 with one user and kde-4 with another. Both version use the ~/.kde symlink to store user configuration and mixing 3.5 and 4.1 configurations is not recommended, and can lead to such issues as you mentioned. |
Yes, but I was under the impression that the actual profiles were stored in the .kde3.5 and .kde4.0 folders and that the symlink .kde would point to the right one depending on which KDE I would log into. So why would the profiles interfere with each other?
Thanks for your helpful reply. |
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