2007.1? Or perhaps 2008.0.

jeanfrancis · Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:08 pm Post subject:

Still makes no sense

Veldrin · Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 2:27 pm Post subject:

The idea was to create 2 releases over one year, 6 months apart. Originally this was supposed to happen in February and August (plz correct me if I am wrong). Due to some problems, building errors or something - I don't know the details - the first one got released in May, logically the next release should be in November, but it never came to it - so far.

I hope this explains it.

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marrowhk · Apprentice Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 250

Gentoo needs a new front page at www.gentoo.org. It's horribly out-of-date and is probably responsible for turning potential investigators off dabbling in gentoo.

We only need one install/livecd a year - keep it simple and get rid of the notion 2007.0 2007.1 ... etc, just call it 2007, 2008 - spend the saved time dealing with more important matters. Tell people that we don't need to update like fedora and Ubuntu, use this fact as an advantage to using Gentoo. Gentoo should be singing their own praises ... "We don't need continually updated install cd/dvds, we're always up-to date - The power of emerge, and make.profile ... etc, ..etc...!"

The front page should be a single page explaining how gentoo differs from the monolithic distros not the ethereal news letters which, in my opinion have never really been anything to shout about (get rid of them altogether, they waste too much effort). Everyone who uses gentoo, and has become proficient at using it knows that there simply isn't a better way to use Linux - gentoo.org should be boasting about this, not hiding behind an archaic web page and disappointing people with useless livecd update failures. Gentoo should be above all this nonsense.

Better still encourage users to build/distribute their own hardware specialized install/livecds (like specialized kernels) let gentoo.org concentrate on core builds once a year
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poly_poly-man · Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject:

marrowhk · Apprentice Joined: 25 Jul 2007 Posts: 250

I built my system one year ago (start of 2007) I update once a month and stage4 backup after every major update (runs overnight). It seems to me that specific stage4 backups (creating your own stages) is a much better way to rebuild gentoo. You can use any livecd to build gentoo, why don't we just encourage gentoo.org to concentrate on doing what they have been doing well (portage and ebuilds) leave the rest to the community - one livecd a year is plenty, if you have new hardware use a community made livecd for that hardware (here, jmicron enabled livecd comes to mind - community made).

The whole point about gentoo is that the build process is simple once you get used to it. Get rid of the crappy gui installer (let people who want it move over to fedora/ubuntu), keep it simple and let the community adapt the core for their own purposes.

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boou32 · n00b Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 38

Hi Is gentoo 2007.1 dead in the water?

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civilguy · n00b Joined: 10 Jan 2008 Posts: 2 Location: Indiana, USA

For the bast few days, I have been installing Gentoo on the fifth computer in my house. I thought it would be simple like all of the others. I hadn't installed recently (March of 2007). I knew that the 2007.0 release would be out of date, but since I installed it, I have been having problems. Nothing big... nothing I can't handle, but it's substantial enough that it might dissuade a new user from using Gentoo over Ubuntu or Fedora or something with an easier install process.

Since I started using Gentoo, it has been my goal to convert as many people as possible, and it is hard to do that disclaimer that 'you may have some trouble installing.' It is my sincere belief that we really need a new release. Even if nothing significant has changed. As long as it is updated to the point that installing is not a problem.

If you feel the same way, please make some noise, and let me know. Thanks!

nixnut · Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject:

merged above post here.
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Kensai · Guru Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 568 Location: Puerto Rico

Daniel Robbins could take on the job and do everything Gentoo needs, but there is this thing called pride which is hitting some of the developers, well at least thats what I've been told, correct me if I'm wrong. I mean Drobbins could help with the livecd and the stage creation, he even made a athlon-xp tarball which I really appreciate, I've been missing thos since more than a year now. Anyways is enough with Drobbins making the stage tarballs, since thats all that is needed, the 2007.0 installation media is rock solid, except for the graphical installer livecd, which has always been a failure since I predicted it till the very begging of the talks about the project.

All in all people think Gentoo is going down, I mean thats what everybody says when I tell them I like and use Gentoo. But well, even though I know it is going down because it isn't as strong as it were back in the days when I started using it, is still usable and brings the freedom no ther binary distribution can bring. In fact I love Arch Linux, cause is the most free binary distribution when we speak of customization, but still Gentoo has always had the best customization of all thats why my system will always have a Gentoo install.

The only problem I'm facing is that packages aren't that up to date as I would like on the stable branch. And even though Gentoo is not going well, I think this all will get fixed sometime, just don't hold your breath since I have been wanting this since more than a year ago.

Just my opinion.

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NeddySeagoon · Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject:

Kensai,

Don't confuse Gentoo 'going down' with changing direction. What gentoo does depends on the interests of the developer pool.
Developers leave, the emphisis shifts, new developers join, it shifts some more. Thats a sign of a healhy volunteer project.

I agree with your perception that Gentoo is not as strong as it was, however, in absolute terms, I'm much less sure of that statement.
I've become stronger in my Gentoo knowledge.

Gentoo is changing, thats for sure but dying, I don't think so.

Anyone within Gentoo can join the releng project and help to produce the next installer release, all it takes is the interest to do so.
Its a little harder for other community members to contribute but not impossible
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Kensai · Guru Joined: 09 Mar 2004 Posts: 568 Location: Puerto Rico

Yeah, I agree with you NeddySeagoon. I'll just try and help where I can.
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boou32 · n00b Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 38

Will the gentoo release come out before spring?

Naib · Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject:

depends

I emerged this morning and got an updated gentoo
ill probably emerge tomorrow and get an even newer gentoo
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yabbadabbadont · Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject:

Nobody likes a smartass. (even if you are technically correct

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NeddySeagoon · Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject:

boou32,

Gentoo does not really have releases, your install is as up to date as your last

AllenJB · Veteran Joined: 02 Sep 2005 Posts: 1285

drobbins releases unofficial updated stages on his site.

zeek · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:07 am Post subject:

You can't install on new hardware if the drivers for it aren't on the install media.

The latest Dell x950 hardware only just works with the "latest" Gentoo LiveCD. When I say just I'm referring to how the LiveCD sees /dev/sda as /dev/sdb (but Grub still sees it as sda (technically the first drive)).

bmichaelsen · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:17 am Post subject:

Maybe the next release will be out before spring. However, you will not know about it before Christmas anyway, because pr@gentoo.org will take their time for the publication of the finished and sealed release note. Actually the "next release" might be finished already.
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aceFruchtsaft · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:25 am Post subject:

Actually it does not matter at all when the next release will be, since many people switched to installing Gentoo via an up to date LiveCD of some other Linux distribution (such as Knoppix).

boou32, if you want a fresh install, just do it that way.

psomas · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 1:29 am Post subject:

tsuehpsyde · Tux's lil' helper Joined: 28 Jul 2004 Posts: 103

All you need to install Gentoo is a live environment. Just use Ubuntu CDs (that's what I do anymore). Not only can you use a console to partition your disk and do what's needed to install Gentoo, you can use the live environment to load up FireFox and read the documentation as you go.

Sure beats the LiveCD console that is provided by the Gentoo discs (and as stated above, you can just use the updated stages from drobbins).

Pretty sad that you have to use other means to get a current version of Gentoo installed, but whatever. Such is the current state of things.