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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GNUtoo wrote:
that is true even if it's a company that freed the code...
for instance they found a back door in a interbase that was liberated and they have seen it and fixed it...(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGlNTEQ0RzM)
(if you want to download the video just ask me)

I would like to download the video ^_^

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there is also the fact that they mostly communicate via e-mail or irc...and some users follow theses mailing list...so if they want to make a conspiracy...they must find another way to comunicate and they must include evry contributor...

and most of the patches are checked before(when you don't have comit acess) or after inclusion in a project

so the only way to include malware is to "hack" the cvs/svn/whatever or relase system...
this has been done more than once but it has always been rapidely detected:
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/06/058249
http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/11/21/1314238

Thanks for the links!

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and most important...be carefull on software that aren't free and don't install them...
the problem here is the proprietary dependencies...
you have several solutions:
*use paludis(selinux support???)
*use pkgcore(no selinux support!!!)
*wait for portage 2.2
*help me/wait for me to finish my perl script that mask non-free packages and dependencies

I am sorry I can't code (yet)

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even the ones with the sources...as there are no external contributor...they aren't checked

What fo you mean exactly? And what do you think of my analysis of openSUSE's security?

Aniruddha wrote:

And these problems compound (in openSUSE's case):
-When you rely heavily on third-party repositories
-These third-party repositories don't have security measures
-You have a build service that anyone can access and has no security policy whatsoever.
-There isn't a testing tree, meaning that all new rpm's are immediately available for everyone.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Portage has two huge security holes that paludis doesn't: priv escalation via portage cache files and insecure uninstallation of set*id files which leaves systems vulnerable to rooting even after insecure packages have been upgraded.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aniruddha wrote:

I would like to download the video ^_^

use one of the following website:
http://keepvid.com/
http://www.mediapirate.org/
or there is that:
Code:
net-misc/youtube-dl [ Masked ]
      Latest version available: 2007.10.12
      Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
      Size of files: 14 kB
      Homepage:      http://www.arrakis.es/~rggi3/youtube-dl/
      Description:   A small command-line program to download videos from YouTube.
      License:       MIT


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What fo you mean exactly?


i mean that things that have the source like microsoft shared source initiative is even a security risk becase:
->it may not be documented
->nobody get interested in something you can't modify

in linux you have sevral project that have the sources but they are not free and may not be checked...
such as:
->opera
->mabe blackdown(i don't remember well the license)

Aniruddha wrote:

And these problems compound (in openSUSE's case):
-When you rely heavily on third-party repositories

=>this is very problematic

are theses binairies or binairies+sources like in debian/ubuntu?
do you know checkinstall?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GNUtoo,

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*help me/wait for me to finish my perl script that mask non-free packages and dependencies


I think portage understands LICENCE="..." in make.conf, just like USE, so you may not need your script.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GNUtoo wrote:
are theses binairies or binairies+sources like in debian/ubuntu?
do you know checkinstall?

Sometimes source rpm's are provided although it is not mandatory. You can find more info here:

http://software.opensuse.org/search
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/
http://packman.links2linux.org/packages

I found the security risk so severe (particularly the openSUSE build service) that I stopped recommending openSUSE to beginners. I know checkinstall but that is a potentially disastrous tool since it overwrites anything without checking.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon wrote:
I think portage understands LICENCE="..." in make.conf, just like USE, so you may not need your script.


https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17367

Still open, so I'd guess not... I do know paludis has supported such license filtering pretty much from the beginning though.
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