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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:01 pm Post subject: How do I install an ebuild? [Solved] |
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Sorry if it's a dumb question. Have come back to Gentoo after playing around with other distros for quite a while.
Have got gentoo installed, have got kde and nvidia drivers installed.
However, my sound card (x-meridian) needs OSS as ALSA doesn't support it properly. From the OSS site, I've found a link to
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=184123 but don't know how to proceed from here.
I've read a lot of info but am still stuck, although in my defense, I have had a few beers
Can anyone point me in the right way please (or to the right docs)
many thanks
Phil
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pjo123 n00b

Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 35 Location: Gorleston, Great Yarmouth UK
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Well it seemed to go OK, I installed it as per instructions, failed 1st time as patch was missing so I downloaded the patch, put it in the correct place and this time everything appeared to work.
Only problem is, I still cant figure out how to start oss. The emerge told me to run "/etc/init.d/oss start" but oss doesn't exist there.
Anyone got any pointers please?
thanks
Phil
Here's the last part of the emerge output
>>> Source compiled.
>>> Test phase [not enabled]: media-sound/oss-4.0.1007
>>> Install oss-4.0.1007 into /var/tmp/portage/media-sound/oss-4.0.1007/image/ category media-sound
cp: cannot stat `/usr/local/portage/media-sound/oss/files/oss': No such file or directory
* In order to use OSSv4 you must run
* # /etc/init.d/oss start
* Enjoy OSSv4 !
>>> Completed installing oss-4.0.1007 into /var/tmp/portage/media-sound/oss-4.0.1007/image/
ecompressdir: bzip2 -9 usr/share/man
* QA Notice: Pre-stripped files found:
* /var/tmp/portage/media-sound/oss-4.0.1007/image/usr/bin/ossrecord
/var/tmp/portage/media-sound/oss-4.0.1007/image/usr/bin/ossmix
/var/tmp/portage/media-sound/oss-4.0.1007/image/usr/bin/ossinfo
/var/tmp/portage/media-sound/oss-4.0.1007/image/usr/bin/ossplay
/var/tmp/portage/media-sound/oss-4.0.1007/image/usr/bin/osstest
/var/tmp/portage/media-sound/oss-4.0.1007/image/usr/bin/ossxmix
/var/tmp/portage/media-sound/oss-4.0.1007/image/usr/sbin/savemixer
/var/tmp/portage/media-sound/oss-4.0.1007/image/usr/sbin/ossdetect
/var/tmp/portage/media-sound/oss-4.0.1007/image/usr/sbin/ossctl
/var/tmp/portage/media-sound/oss-4.0.1007/image/usr/sbin/ossvermagic
/var/tmp/portage/media-sound/oss-4.0.1007/image/usr/sbin/ossdevlinks
strip: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-strip --strip-unneeded -R .comment
usr/lib/oss/objects.regparm/osscore.o
usr/lib/oss/objects.noregparm/osscore.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/cmpci.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/digi32.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/digi96.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/trident.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/ich.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/sblive.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/cs4280.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/cs4281.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/ymf7xx.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/apci97.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/als4000.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/atiaudio.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/ossusb.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/fm801.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/maestro.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/softoss.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/s3vibes.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/geode.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/imux.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/emu10k1x.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/cmi8788.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/solo.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/vmix.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/via97.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/hdaudio.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/audioloop.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/als300.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/ali5455.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/audigyls.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/via8233.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/audiopci.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/neomagic.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/allegro.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/vortex.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/cmpci.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/digi32.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/digi96.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/trident.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/ich.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/sblive.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/cs4280.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/cs4281.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/ymf7xx.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/apci97.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/als4000.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/atiaudio.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/ossusb.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/fm801.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/maestro.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/softoss.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/s3vibes.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/geode.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/imux.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/emu10k1x.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/cmi8788.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/solo.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/vmix.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/via97.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/hdaudio.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/audioloop.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/als300.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/ali5455.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/audigyls.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/via8233.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/audiopci.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/neomagic.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/allegro.o
usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/vortex.o
>>> Merging media-sound/oss-4.0.1007 to /
--- /etc/
>>> /etc/oss.conf
--- /usr/
--- /usr/bin/
>>> /usr/bin/ossrecord
>>> /usr/bin/ossmix
>>> /usr/bin/ossinfo
>>> /usr/bin/ossplay
>>> /usr/bin/osstest
>>> /usr/bin/ossxmix
--- /usr/lib/
>>> /usr/lib/oss/
>>> /usr/lib/oss/etc/
>>> /usr/lib/oss/etc/S89oss
>>> /usr/lib/oss/etc/devices.list
>>> /usr/lib/oss/lib/
>>> /usr/lib/oss/lib/flashsupport.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/etc_templates/
>>> /usr/lib/oss/etc_templates/README
>>> /usr/lib/oss/etc_templates/applist.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/etc_templates/forceload.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/objects.regparm/
>>> /usr/lib/oss/objects.regparm/osscore.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/logs/
>>> /usr/lib/oss/save/
>>> /usr/lib/oss/sysfiles.list
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/cmpci.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/Makefile.tmpl
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/regparm
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/digi32.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/digi96.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/trident.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/ich.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/udi.h
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/module.inc
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/sblive.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/cs4280.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/cs4281.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/osscore.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/ymf7xx.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/apci97.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/als4000.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/ossdip.h
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/atiaudio.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/ossusb.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/install.sh
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/fm801.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/maestro.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/usb_wrapper.inc
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/softoss.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/s3vibes.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/geode.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/imux.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/emu10k1x.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/cmi8788.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/solo.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/vmix.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/pci_wrapper.inc
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/via97.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/wrap.h
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/hdaudio.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/audioloop.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/als300.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/ali5455.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/audigyls.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/via8233.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/Makefile.osscore
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/audiopci.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/neomagic.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/allegro.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/build/vortex.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/allegro.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/digi32.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/emu10k1x.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/als4000.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/ich.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/cs4280.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/hdaudio.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/apci97.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/vmix.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/audioloop.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/ac97.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/als300.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/sblive.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/imux.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/ymf7xx.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/audigyls.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/fm801.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/softoss.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/ossusb.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/trident.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/geode.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/conf.tmpl/osscore.conf
>>> /usr/lib/oss/scripts/
>>> /usr/lib/oss/scripts/restore_drv.sh
>>> /usr/lib/oss/scripts/showprocs.sh
>>> /usr/lib/oss/scripts/remove_drv.sh
>>> /usr/lib/oss/scripts/setup-alsa.sh
>>> /usr/lib/oss/scripts/killprocs.sh
>>> /usr/lib/oss/objects.noregparm/
>>> /usr/lib/oss/objects.noregparm/osscore.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/cmpci.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/digi32.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/digi96.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/trident.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/ich.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/sblive.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/cs4280.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/cs4281.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/ymf7xx.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/apci97.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/als4000.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/atiaudio.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/ossusb.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/fm801.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/maestro.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/softoss.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/s3vibes.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/geode.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/imux.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/emu10k1x.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/cmi8788.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/solo.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/vmix.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/via97.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/hdaudio.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/audioloop.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/als300.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/ali5455.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/audigyls.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/via8233.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/audiopci.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/neomagic.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/allegro.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.noregparm/vortex.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/version.dat
>>> /usr/lib/oss/cuckoo/
>>> /usr/lib/oss/cuckoo/Makefile
>>> /usr/lib/oss/cuckoo/cuckoo_pcm.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/cuckoo/cuckoo.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/cuckoo/cuckoo.h
>>> /usr/lib/oss/cuckoo/cuckoo_midi.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/cuckoo/checksum.h
>>> /usr/lib/oss/cuckoo/cuckoo_mixer.c
>>> /usr/lib/oss/include/
>>> /usr/lib/oss/include/sys/
>>> /usr/lib/oss/include/sys/soundcard.h
>>> /usr/lib/oss/include/sys/ossddk/
>>> /usr/lib/oss/include/sys/ossddk/ossddk.h
>>> /usr/lib/oss/include/sys/ossddk/oss_exports.h
>>> /usr/lib/oss/include/internals/
>>> /usr/lib/oss/include/internals/timestamp.h
>>> /usr/lib/oss/include/internals/mixer_core.h
>>> /usr/lib/oss/include/internals/midi_core.h
>>> /usr/lib/oss/include/internals/WARNING.txt
>>> /usr/lib/oss/include/internals/audio_core.h
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/cmpci.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/digi32.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/digi96.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/trident.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/ich.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/sblive.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/cs4280.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/cs4281.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/ymf7xx.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/apci97.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/als4000.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/atiaudio.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/ossusb.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/fm801.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/maestro.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/softoss.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/s3vibes.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/geode.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/imux.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/emu10k1x.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/cmi8788.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/solo.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/vmix.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/via97.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/hdaudio.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/audioloop.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/als300.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/ali5455.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/audigyls.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/via8233.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/audiopci.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/neomagic.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/allegro.o
>>> /usr/lib/oss/modules.regparm/vortex.o
--- /usr/sbin/
>>> /usr/sbin/savemixer
>>> /usr/sbin/soundoff
>>> /usr/sbin/ossdetect
>>> /usr/sbin/soundon
>>> /usr/sbin/ossctl
>>> /usr/sbin/ossvermagic
>>> /usr/sbin/ossdevlinks
--- /usr/share/
--- /usr/share/man/
--- /usr/share/man/man1/
>>> /usr/share/man/man1/ossinfo.1.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man1/ossplay.1.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man1/ossmix.1.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man1/osstest.1.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man1/ossxmix.1.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man1/ossrecord.1.bz2
--- /usr/share/man/man7/
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/cs4280.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/geode.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/vortex.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/midi.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/audioloop.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/cs4281.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/hdaudio.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/mixer.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/maestro.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/s3vibes.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/ymf7xx.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/via97.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/atiaudio.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/softoss.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/als300.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/allegro.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/emu10k1x.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/ali5455.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/als4000.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/via8233.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/apci97.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/digi32.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/sblive.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/solo.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/ossusb.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/dsp.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/cmpci.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/ich.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/audigyls.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/sndstat.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/neomagic.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/imux.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/digi96.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/audiopci.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/fm801.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/vmix.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/cmi8788.7.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man7/trident.7.bz2
--- /usr/share/man/man8/
>>> /usr/share/man/man8/savemixer.8.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man8/ossdetect.8.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man8/ossctl.8.bz2
>>> /usr/share/man/man8/ossdevlinks.8.bz2
>>> Regenerating /etc/ld.so.cache...
>>> media-sound/oss-4.0.1007 merged.
>>> Recording media-sound/oss in "world" favorites file...
>>> No packages selected for removal by clean
>>> Auto-cleaning packages...
>>> No outdated packages were found on your system.
* Messages for package media-sound/oss-4.0.1007:
* In order to use OSSv4 you must run
* # /etc/init.d/oss start
* Enjoy OSSv4 !
* GNU info directory index is up-to-date.
fred oss # /etc/init.d/oss start
bash: /etc/init.d/oss: No such file or directory
fred oss # cd /etc
fred etc # cd init.d
fred init.d # ls
bootmisc crypto-loop dnsextd hdparm localmount net.lo reboot.sh saslauthd vixie-cron
checkfs cupsd functions.sh hostname mDNSResponderPosix netmount reslisa shutdown.sh xdm
checkroot dbus gpm keymaps mdnsd nscd rmnologin sshd
clock depscan.sh hald lisa modules numlock rsyncd syslog-ng
consolefont device-mapper halt.sh local net.eth0 pwcheck runscript.sh urandom
fred init.d # osstest
/dev/mixer: No such file or directory
The device file is missing from /dev.
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unK l33t


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| Quote: | | cp: cannot stat `/usr/local/portage/media-sound/oss/files/oss': No such file or directory |
Save this -> http://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=129658 as "oss" in path_to_your_overlay/media-sound/oss/files/, redigest oss ebuild and install it again.
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pussi l33t

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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| pjo123 wrote: | >>> Source compiled.
>>> Test phase [not enabled]: media-sound/oss-4.0.1007
>>> Install oss-4.0.1007 into /var/tmp/portage/media-sound/oss-4.0.1007/image/ category media-sound
cp: cannot stat `/usr/local/portage/media-sound/oss/files/oss': No such file or directory
* In order to use OSSv4 you must run
* # /etc/init.d/oss start
* Enjoy OSSv4 !
>>> Completed installing oss-4.0.1007 into /var/tmp/portage/media-sound/oss-4.0.1007/image/ |
you must put the oss init script in the ebuild's filesdir so it can be installed |
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pjo123 n00b

Joined: 26 Jun 2005 Posts: 35 Location: Gorleston, Great Yarmouth UK
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Many many thanks both of you.
That did the trick
Phil |
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