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PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In fact, Gentoo is more than a distribution, you will learn so much in less time then Debian or Mandriva.

You need to know what you are doing before installing or configuring something :P
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Something is wrong with your distro, danvari. My Gentoo system is upgrading every week about 20 packages. But that doesn't mean that Gentoo servers are not very often updated. The point is that almost all software is newest. Tell me which package is out of date.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

industrie13 wrote:
Ernetas wrote:
Something is wrong with your distro, danvari. My Gentoo system is upgrading every week about 20 packages. But that doesn't mean that Gentoo servers are not very often updated. The point is that almost all software is newest. Tell me which package is out of date.


KDE 4.*

It's not out of date. KDE 4 is brand new branch. KDE 3 is still being updated by KDE developers, but not very often...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Something is wrong with your distro, danvari. My Gentoo system is upgrading every week about 20 packages. But that doesn't mean that Gentoo servers are not very often updated. The point is that almost all software is newest. Tell me which package is out of date.


i did after two weeks an emerge sync and NO packages were updated (of coursee some in update -deep, i am using a lightweight setup with openbox, no desktop...).

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KDE 4.*


yes you are right. although i am not using kde4, kde4 is still not in the official portage. i can use portage overlays, but hey, kde is a package that HAS to be in the official branch.

ok, what about gcc 4.3.1? there is still a bug with gcc 4.3.1 and revdep-rebuild. this bug is 2 years old and nobody fixes it...why? is that too difficult?

what about truecrypt (as stable marked is still 4.3a, but there is 6.0 out there, avaible in portage, but masked, so i will not use it if i will not have to) .... what about tome? still outdated....what about firefox? yes, i now, firefox3 is in portage, but it is still masked...and thats with all the latest software. IF they are in portage, they are masked. gentoo is not the bleeding-edge distro anymore, maybe it is safe to use "old" software instead of the really latest ones. other distros are overrunning gentoo.

gentoo is not gentoo anymore, the distro with the latest packages avaible, the fastest distro (i found arch somewhat faster)

i switched again to archlinux, because archlinux has all the new packages i want and they are marked as stable, because with archlinux i can build my own packages just in a few minutes...i did not even know how to create an ebuild and i am using gentoo since gentoo 1.2 and that means since years..

if gentoo would be like it was years ago...it was a different feeling, i would go back to it, but i am not sure if thats happening in the future..

devs...awake, gentoo is at the moment like the sleeping king of distros
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

danvari wrote:
what about truecrypt (as stable marked is still 4.3a, but there is 6.0 out there, avaible in portage, but masked, so i will not use it if i will not have to) .... what about tome? still outdated....what about firefox? yes, i now, firefox3 is in portage, but it is still masked...and thats with all the latest software. IF they are in portage, they are masked. gentoo is not the bleeding-edge distro anymore, maybe it is safe to use "old" software instead of the really latest ones. other distros are overrunning gentoo.
gentoo is not gentoo anymore, the distro with the latest packages avaible, the fastest distro (i found arch somewhat faster)


I noticed that too, but since Gentoo is a source distribution, there a lot of dependancy that need to be perfect before releasing a package.

Arch use binary so, they are very fast. In fact, maybe too fast, KDEMOD mark KDE 4.1.1 as stable. It's weird IMOO.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

danvari wrote:
gentoo is not gentoo anymore, the distro with the latest packages avaible, the fastest distro (i found arch somewhat faster)
i switched again to archlinux, because archlinux has all the new packages i want and they are marked as stable, because with archlinux i can build my own packages just in a few minutes...i did not even know how to create an ebuild and i am using gentoo since gentoo 1.2 and that means since years..


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because archlinux has all the new packages i want and they are marked as stable
Maybe Arch tell you that they are stable, but it's a Bledding Edge distro. Arch should be considere a Sidux or a Debian Sid distro.[/quote]

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because archlinux has all the new packages i want and they are marked as stable, because with archlinux i can build my own packages just in a few minutes...


Abs is really simple to use in fact.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Maybe Arch tell you that they are stable, but it's a Bledding Edge distro.


yes you are right, but i did not have ANY problem with a package in archlinux...so archs interpretation of "stable" is what i think of :).
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In fact, it's funny, because on my Arch box, I use KDEMOD 4.1.1 and I didn't have a crash for near a month.

It's stable like my Gentoo box.

Weird in fact.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you think about my comment about Arch to be a mix of Sidux and Debian Sid ? Am I right ?

And for the record, I think that Gentoo try to use the Overlay to keep the Portage tree stable as possible.
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