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96140
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Kensai
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| kernelcowboy wrote: |
I came up with the following groups.
1) Control freak system ("i like it", "it's just right", "the forums", "use flag", etc. All valid but really add up to one user group.)
2) Programmer workstation
3) Educational platform
I was 3, then 1, now I'm still sort of a 1, so I'm using ARCH. (When I get it all out of my system, I will probably go to PCLinuxOS or Ubuntu.)
I'm a java programmer, so I never really took advantage of 2. |
Well I think I was 3 now I'm 1 as well, still there is another group the Placebo effect group lol, nah, seriously the Gamers group I like gentoo for gaming since I feel my games are optimized. 
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Misfit138
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| nightmorph wrote: | You mentioned ABS' similarity to ports ... bah. After all, Portage is better than ports!  |
Hehe...There are some who feel just the opposite.
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d2_racing
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I think that Portage is from the basic idea of the Ports from FreeBSD or OpenBSD.
So, portage is from there... |
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96140
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Kensai
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| Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| nightmorph wrote: | | Aye, it's originally inspired by 'em, but it has since exceeded 'em. |
Well as a person who used FreeBSD as my main OS for like 6 months I can say yeah, Gentoo has in some way exceeded them, because ports can sometime become tedious to maintain even with portupgrade and the likes.
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HydroDiOxide
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After the libexpat drama I made the switch from Gentoo to Arch. I must say, on my older laptop (800mhz Celeron, Coppermine) Gentoo (with Gnome) ran smoother than Arch with XFCE does. However, compiling took such a long time on my laptop, I must admit the binaries of Arch are bliss! Also, configuration on Arch is, for a Linux n00b like myself, easier to understand and execute than on Gentoo. That might also be due to the fact that Gentoo is MORE customizable...
Both distros gave me a lean laptop. Gentoo ran smoother, but Arch installs MUCH faster.
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d2_racing
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:18 am Post subject: |
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| nightmorph wrote: | | Aye, it's originally inspired by 'em, but it has since exceeded 'em. |
Of course, no doubt about that  |
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d2_racing
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 11:37 am Post subject: |
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| HydroDiOxide wrote: | After the libexpat drama I made the switch from Gentoo to Arch. I must say, on my older laptop (800mhz Celeron, Coppermine) Gentoo (with Gnome) ran smoother than Arch with XFCE does. However, compiling took such a long time on my laptop, I must admit the binaries of Arch are bliss! Also, configuration on Arch is, for a Linux n00b like myself, easier to understand and execute than on Gentoo. That might also be due to the fact that Gentoo is MORE customizable...
Both distros gave me a lean laptop. Gentoo ran smoother, but Arch installs MUCH faster.
MHO |
I'm agree with that
I use Gentoo on my laptop and Arch on my old coucou |
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jonnevers
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| Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:41 pm Post subject: |
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| HydroDiOxide wrote: | | Arch installs MUCH faster. |
who'd of thunk it? |
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steveL
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| HydroDiOxide wrote: | After the libexpat drama I made the switch from Gentoo to Arch. I must say, on my older laptop (800mhz Celeron, Coppermine) Gentoo (with Gnome) ran smoother than Arch with XFCE does. However, compiling took such a long time on my laptop, I must admit the binaries of Arch are bliss! Also, configuration on Arch is, for a Linux n00b like myself, easier to understand and execute than on Gentoo. That might also be due to the fact that Gentoo is MORE customizable...
Both distros gave me a lean laptop. Gentoo ran smoother, but Arch installs MUCH faster.
MHO |
Fair enough: if you're using binaries, you're not getting any USE flags I take it? In which case, I'd still prefer to use
PORTAGE_BINHOST="http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/default-linux/<arch>"
PKGDIR="/path/to/store"
..in make.conf and get Gentoo config with fast installs, because I think Gentoo gets a lot of stuff right.
http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org/html/ is the browse page. |
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NaturalRandom
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I run gentoo in a 1Ghz Duron, but I do all compiling from my AMD64 3500+.
Overall, it's pretty fast! An ubuntu user at my university was impressed when I told him that it never ran at over 500mhz to preserve battery life! |
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d2_racing
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| NaturalRandom wrote: | I run gentoo in a 1Ghz Duron, but I do all compiling from my AMD64 3500+.
Overall, it's pretty fast! An ubuntu user at my university was impressed when I told him that it never ran at over 500mhz to preserve battery life! |
Yeah in fact, a Gentoo box can be quite fast even on a old coucou |
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omnio
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| Telexen wrote: |
- You're not limited to source with Gentoo like *most* of their users will claim...there are plenty of binary host servers to use if you want binary packages
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This is good to know. But what other bin servers are there than http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org ? There are some important packages at tinderbox, but I don't see anything related to XFCE or KDE. Also I didn't see anything related to bin servers in the documentation, but maybe this is normal since these servers are not official ? |
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steveL
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| omnio wrote: | | This is good to know. But what other bin servers are there than http://tinderbox.dev.gentoo.org ? There are some important packages at tinderbox, but I don't see anything related to XFCE or KDE. Also I didn't see anything related to bin servers in the documentation, but maybe this is normal since these servers are not official ? |
Support for bin_hosts hasn't been as effective as it could be. Portage is being upgraded to handle them better. In the meantime, update handles them pretty nicely.
wrt to packages available, tinderbox is more the base (it's also compiled with relocatable code for security.)
PORTAGE_BINHOST="http://dev.gentooexperimental.org/binpkg/i686-stable" is another good one (there's an amd64 one as well, and unstable variants), with more desktop stuff. With all of these, though, there's a timelag between stuff hitting the tree, it hitting mirrors (which happens even if you're not using a binhost) and packages actually being compiled correctly and available.
Really it's up to users to set up their own binhosts; portage just gives you the tools to do it. If you do use these, consider donating some money to help the people who provide the binhosts, or they'll get shut down if they use too much resource. For gentoo, it's solar who runs it: I'm sure any help can just go to Gentoo itself, and for gentooexperimental, it's bonsaikitten who you can find in #gentoo-chat on irc.freenode.org. |
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omnio
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| Thank you. |
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steveL
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You're welcome :-) |
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96140
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erm67
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| nightmorph wrote: | | However, using my own kernel config is far easier than blacklisting dozens of modules I don't need in the default kernel26 Arch ships. |
I do not need any non-standard module, but creating a custom kernel-package isn't that difficult:
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config a kernel as you like and keep the .config
cp -R /var/abs/core/base/kernel26/ .
cd kernel26
cp /what/ever/.config config
makepkg -g
<copy the md5 hashes generated>
vi PKGBUILD
<replace the md5 hashes with those in the clipboard and save>
makepkg
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done.
This works only if the changes are minimal of course, like changing SMP support or processor type.
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steveL
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Meh, module-rebuild is perfect imo. It's not a question of not knowing what I've added, but rather of convenience (or not being a masochist as nightmorph put it ;) Also, having a standard utility means it's easy to adminster a gentoo box, or indeed script the process. |
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AllenJB
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| steveL wrote: |
Meh, module-rebuild is perfect imo. It's not a question of not knowing what I've added, but rather of convenience (or not being a masochist as nightmorph put it Also, having a standard utility means it's easy to adminster a gentoo box, or indeed script the process. |
It's not quite perfect! |
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steveL
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Well I can't understand why that patch hasn't gone in. I asked in #-kernel but no response. Safer to quote "${tomerge[@]}" as well (don't argue ;p) |
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macgyvier
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It's really encouraging to me to see both arch and gentoo communities coming together to discuss the strengths and weakness of each distro. I like the fact that there are two different ideologies here and each can contribute. I had been an avid gentoo user for years before installing arch. I've enjoyed arch, but I know that both have their place. There is definitely a wealth of knowledge between the arch and gentoo wiki's and forums.
I'm excited to see what the future holds for both |
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