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personally I think KDE4 should stay hardmasked for a good few months, just so that KDE users get the treatment that us GNOME users have always seem to have recieved, I mean even the last one was down to a change in dbus that gnome had incoporated and kde hadn't... so gnome was held back just for kde...
friggen annoying the treatment that gnome users get in gentoo (my only major gripe)
thread-jacking over
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| And if it does not get into the main portage tree, there is already a kde overlay, which allows to install kde4-alpha versions - and hopefully soon beta versions. |
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Where can I go to find the developer's discussions on this? (if any discussions exist at all)
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| Clete2 wrote: | | Where can I go to find the developer's discussions on this? (if any discussions exist at all) |
gentoo-desktop mailing list would be a good bet.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Will KDE4 be in ~arch once Beta 1 hits? |
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| Clete2 wrote: | | Will the Gentoo devs put KDE4 in the ~arch list when it becomes beta 1? That is scheduled to happen on July 25th. I have waited to try out KDE4 until the devs add it. Please add KDE4, devs! |
No, KDE4 won't hit the official tree any time soon as it is currently unusable. Beta 1 will probably be delayed by one month and the next pre-release will be renamed Alpha3 for this reason.
You can try it out yourself by installing it from our KDE4 overlays:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-530111-highlight-kde4.html
You'll find the pre-releases there. |
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Well, at least the Beta 1 is tagged in SVN since some days: http://dot.kde.org/1185753836/ 
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| Naib wrote: | personally I think KDE4 should stay hardmasked for a good few months, just so that KDE users get the treatment that us GNOME users have always seem to have recieved, I mean even the last one was down to a change in dbus that gnome had incoporated and kde hadn't... so gnome was held back just for kde...
friggen annoying the treatment that gnome users get in gentoo (my only major gripe)
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Eh?.. KDE 3.5.6 and 3.5.7 are still ~arch masked despite 3.5.6 being released since January.
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| Since this is a major version update, will KDE4 be a new slot install? |
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| WilliamHeuts wrote: | | Since this is a major version update, will KDE4 be a new slot install? |
iirc the dev's are strongly concidering not slotting kde4 (well it as a slot w.r.t. the slotted kde3.#, but updates over itself), seems it causes issues
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| WilliamHeuts wrote: | | Since this is a major version update, will KDE4 be a new slot install? |
You'll almost certainly be able to install it alongside KDE3, yes.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 7:40 am Post subject: Re: Will KDE4 be in ~arch once Beta 1 hits? |
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| Philantrop wrote: | | Clete2 wrote: | | Will the Gentoo devs put KDE4 in the ~arch list when it becomes beta 1? That is scheduled to happen on July 25th. I have waited to try out KDE4 until the devs add it. Please add KDE4, devs! |
No, KDE4 won't hit the official tree any time soon as it is currently unusable. Beta 1 will probably be delayed by one month and the next pre-release will be renamed Alpha3 for this reason.
You can try it out yourself by installing it from our KDE4 overlays:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-530111-highlight-kde4.html
You'll find the pre-releases there. |
Beta 1 is now released but I doubt that still is really useable, so better to delay a month or two the insertion in portage
than breaking peoples configuration (being on ~ branch doesn't means your system should break). Other than this,
there's actually an overlay so there's no hurry. (however, I'm not the man who'll do that and I have no official news)
@Naib : did you noticed that for love of the freedesktop/portland/unification project kde dropped it's own dbus, that was
DCOP and was really stable and useful, in favour of dbus which is still less accessible (if you've ever used dcop you would
know...) and harder to use*? So , all you gnome users moaning and crying for having a delay of one - two months should
just think to all what we could complain (and we aren't! even if we HAD our message bus system since kde 2, and now
we're forced to reprogram lots of applications, not you).
(*Dcop was so easy to program that you could just use a bash script and/or the cli directly, or you could access every
function through the cli just for testing or discovery how the various method were working, while with dbus some
options are still not accessible this way)
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Well, I'd like to see it in the portage tree, albeit hardmasked, especially seeing as it is out: http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.0-beta1.php
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FYI: I have tried the beta on my test system here. There would be much breakage if it would be released to ~arch. In other words: Forget about KDE4 for now until it can be called somehow more stable.
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Sorry, but no: KDE4 Beta 1 will definitely not get into the official Portage tree. And, yes, this is "official" and final. :-)
You can use the kde4 overlay (I'm one of its maintainers). I will release the ebuilds for Beta 1 to the main overlay this weekend if things don't go wrong. |
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I agree with Philantrop: putting kde4 beta 1 in the portage tree is a *very* bad thing. People who want kde4 need to read the instructions on the kde4 overlay. It is the only way to get people to read the instructions prior to installing it.
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| Philantrop wrote: |
Sorry, but no: KDE4 Beta 1 will definitely not get into the official Portage tree. And, yes, this is "official" and final.
You can use the kde4 overlay (I'm one of its maintainers). I will release the ebuilds for Beta 1 to the main overlay this weekend if things don't go wrong. |
Soprano, Strigi, kdelibs and kdepimlibs compile and work (as far as I can tell) fine (from beta 1). kdebase on the other hand not so much:
| Code: | Scanning dependencies of target kcm_randr
[ 71%] Building CXX object workspace/kcontrol/randr/CMakeFiles/kcm_randr.dir/kcm_randr_automoc.o
[ 71%] Building CXX object workspace/kcontrol/randr/CMakeFiles/kcm_randr.dir/krandrmodule.o
/home/cyberwizzard-dev/kde/src/KDE/kdebase-3.92.0/workspace/kcontrol/randr/randr.h:48: error: 'RRCrtc' was not declared in this scope
/home/cyberwizzard-dev/kde/src/KDE/kdebase-3.92.0/workspace/kcontrol/randr/randr.h:48: error: template argument 1 is invalid
/home/cyberwizzard-dev/kde/src/KDE/kdebase-3.92.0/workspace/kcontrol/randr/randr.h:48: error: invalid type in declaration before ';' token
/home/cyberwizzard-dev/kde/src/KDE/kdebase-3.92.0/workspace/kcontrol/randr/randr.h:49: error: 'RROutput' was not declared in this scope
/home/cyberwizzard-dev/kde/src/KDE/kdebase-3.92.0/workspace/kcontrol/randr/randr.h:49: error: template argument 1 is invalid
/home/cyberwizzard-dev/kde/src/KDE/kdebase-3.92.0/workspace/kcontrol/randr/randr.h:49: error: invalid type in declaration before ';' token
/home/cyberwizzard-dev/kde/src/KDE/kdebase-3.92.0/workspace/kcontrol/randr/randr.h:50: error: 'RRMode' was not declared in this scope
/home/cyberwizzard-dev/kde/src/KDE/kdebase-3.92.0/workspace/kcontrol/randr/randr.h:50: error: template argument 1 is invalid
/home/cyberwizzard-dev/kde/src/KDE/kdebase-3.92.0/workspace/kcontrol/randr/randr.h:50: error: invalid type in declaration before ';' token
/home/cyberwizzard-dev/kde/src/KDE/kdebase-3.92.0/workspace/kcontrol/randr/randr.h:54: error: 'RROutput' was not declared in this scope
/home/cyberwizzard-dev/kde/src/KDE/kdebase-3.92.0/workspace/kcontrol/randr/randr.h:54: error: template argument 1 is invalid
/home/cyberwizzard-dev/kde/src/KDE/kdebase-3.92.0/workspace/kcontrol/randr/randr.h:54: error: invalid type in declaration before ';' token
/home/cyberwizzard-dev/kde/src/KDE/kdebase-3.92.0/workspace/kcontrol/randr/randr.h:55: error: 'RRCrtc' was not declared in this scope
/home/cyberwizzard-dev/kde/src/KDE/kdebase-3.92.0/workspace/kcontrol/randr/randr.h:55: error: template argument 1 is invalid
/home/cyberwizzard-dev/kde/src/KDE/kdebase-3.92.0/workspace/kcontrol/randr/randr.h:55: error: invalid type in declaration before ';' token
/home/cyberwizzard-dev/kde/src/KDE/kdebase-3.92.0/workspace/kcontrol/randr/randr.h:56: error: 'RRMode' was not declared in this scope
/home/cyberwizzard-dev/kde/src/KDE/kdebase-3.92.0/workspace/kcontrol/randr/randr.h:56: error: template argument 1 is invalid
/home/cyberwizzard-dev/kde/src/KDE/kdebase-3.92.0/workspace/kcontrol/randr/randr.h:56: error: invalid type in declaration before ';' token
make[2]: *** [workspace/kcontrol/randr/CMakeFiles/kcm_randr.dir/krandrmodule.o] Error 1
make[1]: *** [workspace/kcontrol/randr/CMakeFiles/kcm_randr.dir/all] Error 2
make: *** [all] Error 2 |
Edit: removed rant about moderators on kde mailing lists.
Edit:
Looks like I'm not the only one: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-4101288.html#4101288
KDE build scripts nag about everything but wrong versions of libraries aren't detected.... anyways, I just started compiling kdebase again - I'll post if this works
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| Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject: Re: Will KDE4 be in ~arch once Beta 1 hits? |
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| Matteo Azzali wrote: | (*Dcop was so easy to program that you could just use a bash script and/or the cli directly, or you could access every
function through the cli just for testing or discovery how the various method were working, while with dbus some
options are still not accessible this way) |
OMG...they didn't do that, did they? dcop is the single most useful thing in KDE. Does dbus provide the kind of interfaces to class methods like we could do with dcop to interface with various parts of the desktop? OMG...kde4 won't have dcop? I find it hard to believe! Many of my custom scripts are going to go down the drain! |
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| I think I read a while back that they're trying to make effectively a drop-in replacement for the dcop program, so with luck the changes will be hidden except to programmers. |
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Putting it in ~arch is jumping the gun, IMHO. However, putting some nicely hardmasked non-monolithic ebuilds would be A Good Thing (tm)
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| Vlad.Sharp wrote: | | Putting it in ~arch is jumping the gun, IMHO. However, putting some nicely hardmasked non-monolithic ebuilds would be A Good Thing (tm) :) |
We might be able to provide split ebuilds for Beta 1 but I can't promise at the moment. |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2007 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: Will KDE4 be in ~arch once Beta 1 hits? |
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| devsk wrote: | | Matteo Azzali wrote: | (*Dcop was so easy to program that you could just use a bash script and/or the cli directly, or you could access every
function through the cli just for testing or discovery how the various method were working, while with dbus some
options are still not accessible this way) |
OMG...they didn't do that, did they? dcop is the single most useful thing in KDE. Does dbus provide the kind of interfaces to class methods like we could do with dcop to interface with various parts of the desktop? OMG...kde4 won't have dcop? I find it hard to believe! Many of my custom scripts are going to go down the drain! |
That kde4 is not going to have dcop is not new stuff. It was decided long ago, and dcop was removed from the cvs trunk of kde4 the first days of June, or so, I think.
If you look forward to the future, it is the only process intercommunication technology that has any chance to intercommunicate applications from any desktop to any other desktop, and even non-desktop applications in an efficient way. If every single application migrates to dbus (and I think that that is happening) then all the issues with dragndrop, systrays, and many others will be a thing from the past. Additionally, there are not that much applications that have a good dcop interface that you can handle without sed'ing, awk'ing or perl'ing a bit.
Of course, we will miss that for some time in the applications that have a good support for dcop, but I don't think it will be that much a big deal. Dbus has evolved very quickly and will only continue to do so. However, I think it is a good thing. Otherwise, we will soon be hating dcop as much as we hate arts nowadays.
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