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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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apexofservice,

Grub and its setup is fine. The kernel loads but cannot find /dev/hda4.

Your kernel is either missing a part of the hard drive driver or you have used the new SATA drivers, in which case your drive will be /dev/sda, regardless of its physical connection.

Post your lspci output if you need more detailed help with he kernel.
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thanks for the help:

so, i've re-entered using my liveCD, and chrooted using
Code:
chroot /mnt/gentoo /bin/bash



Code:

bash: lspci: command not found

also i've emerged slocate and it also says
Code:

$slocate lspci
slocate: fatal error: Could not find user database '/var/lib/slocate/slocate.db':  No such file or directory


what have i done?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

okay so emerged pciutils and got the lspci command

i think i may have a problem there:

Code:

#lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Controller (rev 02)
00:00.1 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Controller (rev 02)
00:00.3 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV Processor to I/O Controller (rev 02)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 83)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801DM (ICH4-M) LPC interface Bridge
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DM (ICH4-M) IDE Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM  (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM  (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 03)
02:00:0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. IEEE 1394 Host Controller (rev 80)
02:01.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.  . . .
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

apexofservice,

Be first into the future, follow this post
Your drive will become /dev/sda, so you will need to change /etc/fstab and and the root=/dev/ in grub.conf.

Run genkernel with the --menuconfig option and set the kernel options as shown.
When you exit, genkernel will continue the build.

If you really want to use the old IDE kernel branch, you can but I can't find my link just now as I'm away from a Gentoo system. Google for
Code:
NeddySeagoons  site:forums.gentoo.org
I've done an Intel ICH4 guide too.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon ,

thanks for all your help.

so i emerged genkernel and ran "genkernel --menuconfig all"

i made the modifications suggested in your post, the kernel compiled and modules seemed to compile successfully.

i then edited /etc/fstab and changed all instances of 'hd' for 'sd'.

i then edited /boot/grub/grub.conf and changed root=/dev/hda4 to root=/dev/sda4.

i rebooted and got the same error message as originally:

VFS: cannot open root device "sda4" or unknown-block(0,0)
Please append . . .
Kernel panic -- not syncing . . .

ideas?

i didn't find your specific guide for ich4 family chipsets, but i followed the instructions at https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-4570091.html#4570091.

thanks/what's next?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

apexofservice,

I noted that you are loading the splashimage from (hd0,0), yet you mention that (hd0,0) is Win, and (hd0,1) is /boot.

Do you actauly see your splash?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I meant to mention that the splash image loads and grub can successfully start windows on hd(0,0).

Here's an exact cut and paste of the grub.conf as updated after NeddySeagoons' suggestions:

Code:


default 0
timeout 15
splashimage=(hd0,1)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz

title=Gentoo
root (hd0,1)
kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.24-gentoo-r3 root=/dev/sda4

title=XP
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1


I'm starting to think this is not a problem with grub, but maybe something else with the kernel has gotten misplaced?

Ideas? Suggestions?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

apexofservice,

While I'm not so advanced as NeddySeagoons, I do have a suggestion:
when grub starts, issue a "c" to get a command prompt, and try to run a "cat" on a file on your problematic drive, like this:
Code:

cat (hd0,3)/etc/make.conf


I am a bit confused why you have to use /dev/sda4, and not /dev/sda1, but I don't know much about SATA, so...

HTH,
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SxN,

Thanks for the idea.

I'm currently emerging kde within the chroot environment on the minimal cd--it's strange to have a working system which needs a Live CD to access.

I'll try your idea after this is done compiling.

Also, perhaps you're right that root should = /dev/sda1, although i thought i wanted to find my root directory where the main filesystem is stored at /dev/hda4 or possibly /dev/sda4.

The thing is that the liveCD uses hda series and seems to function well. After taking Neddy Seagoon's modifications the new kernel is ostensibly looking for the sda series. Although I admittedly don't know much about the differences between these two schemes and I may have mangled the configuration.

in a non-hd/sd biased fashion, my partition scheme is:

1: windows
2: linux-boot
3: linux-swap
4: linux-root

At this point, I'm considering two competing hypotheses for the cause of the problem, one is that I have somehow misconfigured, or forgotten a step in correctly installing grub, or assigning addresses to grub, ie, some sort of problem in grub sorting. The other is that grub may not be the problem, but perhaps i've build a kernel that is somehow unbootable?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

apexofservice,

It looks like you did everything correctly - it just dosnt work.
Code:
kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.24-gentoo-r3 root=/dev/sda4
looks odd, as its not what genkernel would have called your kernel.

I suspect you are loading your old kernel, called /boot/kernel-2.6.24-gentoo-r3 and your newer one is waiting to be used.

Boot the liveCD, mount your root at /mnt/gentoo and your boot at /mnt/gentoo/boot
Now run
Code:
ls -l /mnt/gentoo/boot

Check the names and timestamps of your kernels.

Fix the kernel filename in grub.conf as needed
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My grub.conf looks similar, serving a similar partitioning scheme:
Code:

# Which entry to boot
default 0
# Timeout before booting
timeout 10
splashimage=(hd0,1)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz

title=Gentoo Linux hardened 2.6.23
root (hd0,1)
kernel (hd0,1)/kernel-2.6.23-hardened-r7 root=/dev/hda5 video=828 idebus=66

title=Windows 2000 Professional
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1


It works fine on an IDE disk, except the splashimage.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SxN

I guess your symbolic link
Code:
boot -> .
is missing from your /boot.

You could remove /boot from
Code:
splashimage=(hd0,1)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz


idebus=66 is a really bad idea unless you know you really have a 66MHz IDE bus.
They are very rare. It tells the kernel to divide the bus clock in two to get the 33MHz expected data transfer rate.
IF you have a 33MHz bus, it halfs your IDE data transfer rate.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon,

You're right. Creating the symlink and removing "boot" from the path solved my problem. You must be some sort of magician!

idebus=66 is for a Thinkpad T23. My understanding is that this bus works at 66MHz. Am I wrong?

And, if I can abuse a bit more your time, what's the logic behind the /boot symlink?

Thanks for your help,
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I finished installing Gentoo but for some reason when I try to boot I get a message about something not being able to be mounted, and then I get a kernel panic. It said to change the root= option in the GRUB configuration file, but I have it set to the right partition.
root=/dev/sda3

And here is my partition layout:
/dev/sda1 swap swap
/dev/sda2 ext3 /home
/dev/sda3 ext3 /
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neddy Seagoons,

You were right that I hadn't used the correct kernel name.

I'm booted in! Hooray.

Now I just have to get the wifi going, compile gnome,

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SxN,

The
Code:
boot -> .
symlink allows the same grub.conf to work regardless of boot being a real partition or a directory on the root partition. Consider your original
Code:
splashimage=(hd0,1)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz

The =(hd0.1) always points to a whole partition, either boot or root.
If =(hd0,1) points to root, then /boot is a dir and everythig works.
When =(hd0,1) points to a boot partition, there is no /boot directory. The symlink then fakes it, so everything works.
Code:
boot -> .
means boot points to where you are now.

This makes grub.conf the same for everyone.

Your Front Side Bus (FSB) may well be 133MHz (or faster) but this is not the same as the IDE bus.
Apart from a few high end servers, when the front side bus went above 33MHz for the first time, I'm unaware of any systems with IDE bus speeds above 33MHz.

Its easy to test. Boot normally and run
Code:
hdparm -tT /dev/hda
Make a note of the read speeds.
Reboot and press 'e' at the grub splash screen. Remove the idebus=66 from the kernel line and allow the boot to contine. Retest with the hdparm command.

If it about 2x faster now, fix grub.conf permanently. If there's no change, the kernel ignored it anyway.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon,

I did the experiment you suggested and I found no difference between the default 33 MHz and the forcing of 66MHz. I suppose that my idebus=66 is simply igonred. I took it out.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:22 pm    Post subject: grub 0.97 Reply with quote

Hi, having problems with grub myself :-(

this is a new install and the system loads the splash screen and drops to the grub command prompt.

Only way to boot from this point is to type kernel /boot/bzImage (return) then type boot (return)

grub-install /dev/sda installs without any errors, kernel is complied without the older IDE driver support.

grub.conf below.

default 0

timeout 15

splashimage=(hd0,0)/boot/grub/splash.xpm.gz

root(hd0,0)

kernel /boot/bzImage root=/dev/sda1


any Ideas welcome .
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gm7uac,

try inserting a
Code:
title=Gentoo

before your root statement.

This way, you create an entry in your never-shown menu to be pointed by default=0.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:56 am    Post subject: grub 0.97 Reply with quote

SxN wrote:
gm7uac,

try inserting a
Code:
title=Gentoo

before your root statement.

This way, you create an entry in your never-shown menu to be pointed by default=0.

HTH
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Thanks SxN, that fixed the problem, sometimes you can't see the wood for the trees..... .
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:54 pm    Post subject: strange grub error 15 - menu won't work - command line does. Reply with quote

Grub gives an error 15 on attempting to boot from the configured menu. But when the same command sequence is entered at the grub command line the system boots fine!

All disks in AHCI mode; BIOS is latest; all disks detected properly on post. Tried every combo of boot order and using the JMicron pair or the ICH9...

Current configuration:

Disk 0: 80GB Seagate Barra, 3 Primary Partitions:

    /dev/sda1 EXT2 /boot,
    /dev/sda2 SWAP,
    /dev/sda3 EXT3 /

Disk 5: Panasonic BD Optical - boots the system rescue cd fine.

Using Grub - grub manual setup reports all good - the kernel is on /dev/sda1 which is mounted as /boot on /dev/sda3 as root...

The only alarm bells are:
When I run
Code:

~ # grub-install --no-floppy /dev/sda

Unknown partition table signature
Unknown partition table signature
Unknown partition table signature
Unknown partition table signature
Unknown partition table signature
...
Unknown partition table signature
Unknown partition table signature

Installation finished. No error reported.
This is the contents of the device map /boot/grub/device.map.
Check if this is correct or not.  If any of the lines is incorrect,
fix it and re-run the script 'grub-install'.

(hd0) /dev/sda
(hd1) /dev/sdb
(hd2) /dev/sdc
(hd3) /dev/sdd


The system should boot with:

Code:

root (hd0,0)
kernel=/boot/gentoo_alpha root=/dev/sda3


and indeed the grub menu comes up BUT I get an error 15 file not found when I try to launch the gentoo_alpha kernel...

Code:

Booting 'gentoo_alpha'

root (hd0,0)
 Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83
kernel /boot/gentoo_alpha root=/dev/sda3

Error 15: File not found

Press any key to continue...


When I go to the command line and enter

Code:

grub> root (hd0,0)
 Filesystem type is ext2fs, partition type 0x83

grub> kernel=/boot/gentoo_alpha root=/dev/sda3
    [Linux-bzImage, setup=0x2c00, size=0x29dd78]
kernel=/boot/gentoo_alpha root=/dev/sda3

grub> boot


away she goes...

I have done a grub manual install and double checked that my mtab is correctly formed as the handbook requires:

Code:

grep -v rootfs /proc/mounts > /etc/mtab


what gives?
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Merged the above post.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

(Thank you desultory.)

I have fixed this by (I think) doing a make install on the kernel - previously I was just copying the bzImage over to /boot and perhaps grub is looking for more than just the kernel image - something to do with the scripts that are made with the new kernel and automatically put in /boot/grub??

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since yesterday, I am suddenly not able to boot Gentoo anymore. Grub comes up, starts the kernel, but then I get:

Code:

...
Starting balanced_irq
Using IPI Shortcut mode
<3 garbled characters> or unknown-block(0,0)<22 garbled characters>
Please append a correct "root=" boot option; here are the available partitions:
0300    4194302 hda driver: ide-cdrom
0340    4194302 hdb driver: ide-cdrom
0800  195359927 sda driver: sd
  0801   41945683 sda1
  0802          1 sda2
  0803   95739367 sda3
  0805      40131 sda5
  0806     506016 sda6
  0807   30909028 sda7
0810  312571224 sdb driver: sd
  0811  312568641 sdb1
Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)


(I've manually inserted the <x garbled characters> where I was seeing some garbled text)

The weird thing is that I haven't changed anything about my system, this is the same menu.lst/kernel that I have been booting Gentoo with for months. The only thing I can remember doing before my system stopped booting was running a "emerge -uDNav world" (which did by the way install a new grub). I've triple checked to see if my menu.lst was still correct and I can access my root and boot filesystems (sda7 and sda5 respectively) from the LiveCD just fine.

Because I had a vague suspicion my problem was related to https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=98768 I chrooted into my Gentoo installation from the LiveCD and re-installed grub to my MBR with:

Code:

grub> root (hd0,4)

grub> setup (hd0)
 Checking if "/boot/grub/stage1" exists... yes
 Checking if "/boot/grub/stage2" exists... yes
 Checking if "/boot/grub/e2fs_stage1_5" exists... yes
 Running "embed /boot/grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd0)"... 16 sectors are embedded.
succeeded
 Running "install /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0) (hd0)1+16 p (hd0,4)/boot/grub/stage2 /boot/grub/menu.lst"... succeeded
Done.


so that the stages in my /boot/grub matched with my MBR. Unfortunately the problem remains :( One other thing I've tried is booting with an older kernel, which didn't help either. I have at this point ran out of ideas and have no idea how to get my Gentoo booting normally again. Does anyone know what could be wrong? Also my apologies if this is the wrong thread, since this is maybe not an installation issue.

I'm using grub-0.97-r5 (this is what my last "emerge -uDNav world" before booting broke brought in) with the following menu.lst:

Code:

timeout 10
default 1
fallback 0

title Windows
rootnoverify (hd0,0)
makeactive
chainloader +1

title Gentoo
root (hd0,4)
kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-gentoo-r4 root=/dev/sda7


Edit: Note: Windows still boots

Edit2: Some additional relevant info:

fdisk -l:
Code:

Disk /dev/sda: 200.0 GB, 200048565760 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 24321 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *           1        5222    41945683+   7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sda2            5223        9138    31455270    5  Extended
/dev/sda3           12403       24321    95739367+  83  Linux
/dev/sda5   *        5223        5227       40131   83  Linux
/dev/sda6            5228        5290      506016   82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda7            5291        9138    30909028+  83  Linux

Disk /dev/sdb: 320.0 GB, 320072933376 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 38913 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1               1       38913   312568641   83  Linux



/boot and /boot/grub contents:
Code:

livecd ~ # ls -l /mnt/gentoo/boot/
total 4218
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       1 Sep  9  2006 boot -> .
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root    1024 Apr  5 10:10 grub
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2145752 Mar 21 14:48 kernel-2.6.22-gentoo-r4
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2149976 Nov 12 22:17 kernel-2.6.22-gentoo-r4-old
drwx------ 2 root root    1024 Jun 23  2007 lost+found

livecd ~ # ls -l /mnt/gentoo/boot/grub/
total 436
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    197 Sep  2  2007 default
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root     30 Sep  9  2006 device.map
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   8064 Apr  4 10:58 e2fs_stage1_5
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   7904 Apr  4 10:58 fat_stage1_5
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   7168 Apr  4 10:58 ffs_stage1_5
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    174 Apr  5 08:49 grub.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   1842 Apr  4 10:58 grub.conf.sample
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   7200 Apr  4 10:58 iso9660_stage1_5
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   8672 Apr  4 10:58 jfs_stage1_5
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root      9 Sep  9  2006 menu.lst -> grub.conf
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   7328 Apr  4 10:58 minix_stage1_5
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   9728 Apr  4 10:58 reiserfs_stage1_5
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  33856 Apr  4 10:58 splash.xpm.gz
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    512 Apr  4 10:58 stage1
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 105436 Apr  4 10:58 stage2
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 105372 Feb 25 19:00 stage2.old
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 105436 Apr  4 10:58 stage2_eltorito
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   7520 Apr  4 10:58 ufs2_stage1_5
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   6752 Apr  4 10:58 vstafs_stage1_5
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   9384 Apr  4 10:58 xfs_stage1_5



EDIT: Solved! Sort of ... I downgraded to grub-0.97-r4, reinstalled it to the MBR, and now it boots fine again. Seems like there's a genuine bug with -r5 that wont let me boot. Should I file a bug for this?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aphax,

Code:
<3 garbled characters> or unknown-block(0,0)<22 garbled characters>
suggests that
Your kernel line
Code:
kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-gentoo-r4 root=/dev/sda7
has rubbish, perhaps invisible, at the end.
Delete the entire line and retype it.

As a test, press 'e' when the grub splash screen shows and edit/reenter the line in RAM.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NeddySeagoon wrote:
Aphax,

Code:
<3 garbled characters> or unknown-block(0,0)<22 garbled characters>
suggests that
Your kernel line
Code:
kernel /boot/kernel-2.6.22-gentoo-r4 root=/dev/sda7
has rubbish, perhaps invisible, at the end.
Delete the entire line and retype it.

As a test, press 'e' when the grub splash screen shows and edit/reenter the line in RAM.


Ah, I forgot to mention that I had tried that as well, when I press 'e' to edit the line, the line shows up ungarbled, if I backspace a few chars at the end and retype them, and then try to boot, it still fails to boot with the same garbled text :(

(Just in case you missed the edit in my previous post though, note that I have managed to boot with the old grub-0.97-r4, so not sure if the problem could lie in my menu.lst)

EDIT: Just to be sure though I'll try upgrading to grub-0.97-r5 again and re-type the full line this time to see if that makes a difference.
EDIT2: I should think more before posting and edit less, sorry :twisted:
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