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Did the 2007.0 Live{CD,DVD} Release failed you?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:54 am    Post subject: Did the 2007.0 Live{CD,DVD} failed you? Reply with quote

Seeing that the Gentoo Release Engineering TEAM is talking about a 2008.0 beta release in the coming months, I wanted to get some feedback from the community on what aspects of the old 2007.0 release failed you if any. Please be specific, for example if the livecd didn't find a bootable media please specify the chipset and the alternative livecd you used to boot up your system. Also post some details of your system, for example most people had problems with the Jmicron & P35 chipsets that I know of so specify just that also post what packages you *think* the 2008.0 release should include. This is not official and your request will probably not be implemented if any. Eitherway, we can get an idea of what needs to be improved.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't remember if it was the live-cd or the universal-cd but when I was booting to X for the graphical install it was incredibly slow on my laptop (I guess it used the via driver and opengl support and my 128mb shared memory didn't really like it). I would propose to load just a vesa driver for X and have no opengl support enabled for those who have lower hardware.

Also there should be the rt2500 network-driver included.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worked like a charm here. I was actually glad I got to recompile major stuff like glibc and gcc early on. Although I did use update from the beginning, so linux-headers/glibc didn't get upgraded til my kernel was installed, and expat was handled automagically.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that there a lot of people that had a new release of the Jmicron chipset and they had to use SystemRescueCD or the latest version of Knoppix to be able to boot theses box.

But for a concern, everything was fine :)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

d2_racing wrote:
I know that there a lot of people that had a new release of the Jmicron chipset and they had to use SystemRescueCD or the latest version of Knoppix to be able to boot theses box.

But for a concern, everything was fine :)


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see my signature, "small gentoo" (please don't sue me for the similar name :lol: ) is still there to help you out
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ati driver issue was a bit of a problem till i stumbled across the solution.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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see my signature, "small gentoo" (please don't sue me for the similar name :lol: ) is still there to help you out


Yea, thanks to that, i was able to install gentoo.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The LiveCD failed for me because X tried to load a video driver that didn't exist on the CD (ati) and I had to manually edit xorg.conf to fall-back to the vesa driver. I think xorg-server-1.4 fixes this by falling back automatically, but then it isn't stable yet.

The only other problem for me was the non-inclusion of the rt2500/rt2x00 wireless driver which makes testing the LiveCD or installing from it very difficult. I can understand, however, why out-of-tree drivers aren't included, but on the other hand it is in portage. This should not be an issue in the future as the driver is included in kernel 2.6.24 (very unlikely that this kernel will be used for Gentoo 2008.0, however).

(I had to use the Ubuntu LiveCD to install Gentoo, I feel so dirty :P )
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never had a failure with minimal cd, but lately I use systemrescue cd mainly because it have mc :) I also use mc in X... So, can we have mc on live cd? :)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kernelOfTruth wrote:
see my signature, "small gentoo" (please don't sue me for the similar name :lol: ) is still there to help you out


Yes, in fact I forgot to write it. I used your LiveCD one time and it was great :)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm... no? I never got the chance to use the new LiveCD. I know that Gentoo 1.4 LiveCD works fine though.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problems here. I had full hardware detection,networking,video. The only problem which is not really problem at all is, I run duel heads
and get clone mode in the cd, which is completely understandable and more than acceptable.

My computer hardware list:
ABIT uGURU AV8-3rd Eye motherboard-VIA K8T800 Pro/VT8237 chipset
VIA Velocity Ethernet
AMD64 4000+
2 gigs of OCZ gold edition dual channel ram
Nvidia Geforce 7600 GT / AGP
1 SATA WD Raptor drive
1 WD Caviar drive


If I remember correctly the AMD64 live cd had the same results.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:44 pm    Post subject: :\ Reply with quote

i've tried 2 machine.. asus f3sc laptop and celeron 2.4 desktop.. failed..
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:20 pm    Post subject: Re: :\ Reply with quote

seqizz wrote:
i've tried 2 machine.. asus f3sc laptop and celeron 2.4 desktop.. failed..

#gentoo on irc.freenode.org will take you through every step if you need it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it worked basically flawless for me but i did hear that a bunch of people had problems with it and they just used 2006.1
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Failed. I guess it was the P35. SystemRescueCD worked fine, so I guess it was the kernel.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

arnvidr wrote:
Failed. I guess it was the P35. SystemRescueCD worked fine, so I guess it was the kernel.


Just for the record, since SystRescueCD is a gentoo based LiveCD, can you chroot like we do with a normal Gentoo LiveCD or you have to use the alternative installation methode ?

Exemple for a nomal Gentoo LiveCD:
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# mount -t ext3 /dev/sda8 /mnt/gentoo
# mount -t ext2 /dev/sda7 /mnt/gentoo/boot
# mount -t proc none /mnt/gentoo/proc
# mount -o bind /dev /mnt/gentoo/dev
# chroot /mnt/gentoo /bin/bash
# env-update
# source /etc/profile

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

arnvidr wrote:
Failed. I guess it was the P35. SystemRescueCD worked fine, so I guess it was the kernel.

AFAICT it pretty much always is. (Well modules.)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh crap... i voted no, but that was because the 2007.0 i686 and x86_64 livecds works fine on my corresponding PCs. However, the (beta?) 2007.0 ia64 livecd however does not work on my ia64 server. :-(
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am one of those who had a problem with the JMicron & P35 chipsets. I got around it with the small-gentoo release from kernelOfTruth.

I'm a fan of the LiveDVD with all packages on it -- it makes it easy to get a bootable system fast, then I can start a long single emerge and let it run all night. Looking forward to the next release ...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i bought a new computer with the Jmicron controler so i failed to install gentoo with the live cd.

small gentoo helps.

thx kerneloftruth.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has nice menu-driven console-only install tools but no console-only boot option that I could discern. This made using said tools, which obviously had a lot of time and effort invested in them, a real pain.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still was too lazy to download it.
Minimal install is good enough.

But main idea behind live cd is interesting. it may attract more new users to Gentoo.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I still was too lazy to download it.
Minimal install is good enough.

But main idea behind live cd is interesting. it may attract more new users to Gentoo.


In fact, if by default the LiveCD boots properly, then it's a big start for a new Gentoo user.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

d2_racing wrote:
GODhack wrote:
Minimal install is good enough.

But main idea behind live cd is interesting. it may attract more new users to Gentoo.


In fact, if by default the LiveCD boots properly, then it's a big start for a new Gentoo user.

Yeah but minimal is where you really learn Gentoo. I find people who didn't do their own manual install, in general, are much harder to help. And it's a rite of passage ;-) everyone who's done one has that sense of fellow-feeling (and accomplishment.) Although I have to admit, it took my 2nd manual install before I felt confident with Gentoo.
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