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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:17 pm    Post subject: ~amd64, the age-old question Reply with quote

I feel like I've seen this discussed several times before, but my searches didn't help me out, so bear with me if you're tired of it :)

I'm an old Gentoo user, used it a few years ago, and been a year or two on Debian. On Debian I ran unstable, and so I'm used to stuff breaking now and then. Do you think I could run ~amd64? Pros are that I'm getting more cutting edge software, and might be able to help out more with testing on the arch, cons that I'll probably annoy the hell out of my gf every time something vital breaks. I noticed a lot of the software I use isn't marked stable anyway, so I thought it also might be better to have a "complete" testing system. Waddayathink?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ran ~amd64 for years. Mostly it works pretty stable, so yes, you shouldn't have too much trouble with it.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fine here
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should not find any major problem. You can expect, more or less, the same kind of occasional breakage that you could find in ~x86.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:00 am    Post subject: Re: ~amd64, the age-old question Reply with quote

arnvidr wrote:
I feel like I've seen this discussed several times before, but my searches didn't help me out, so bear with me if you're tired of it :)

...and [I] might be able to help out more with testing on the arch,


Not true. You can help amd64 far more if you have an 'amd64' system rather than a '~amd64' system. All arch testing must be done on a pure stable system.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a single issue on ~amd64 so far.

The only reason I had problems with my ~x86 setup was when I improperly setup gcc-3 for qemu.

Even *that* worked fine here :D

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i92guboj wrote:
You should not find any major problem. You can expect, more or less, the same kind of occasional breakage that you could find in ~x86.

That is exactly what my experience has been.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:31 am    Post subject: Re: ~amd64, the age-old question Reply with quote

gentoofan23 wrote:
arnvidr wrote:
I feel like I've seen this discussed several times before, but my searches didn't help me out, so bear with me if you're tired of it :)

...and [I] might be able to help out more with testing on the arch,


Not true. You can help amd64 far more if you have an 'amd64' system rather than a '~amd64' system. All arch testing must be done on a pure stable system.


No reporting of "this and that package should be marked stable" if I run ~amd64?

Anyway, thanks all for the responses, will change my profile when I have the chance. :)
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm running a lot of packages as ~amd64 through package.keywords and I've yet to experience any really serious breakage. I wouldn't use ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~amd64" though; I'd rather not take a big risk running ~arch for system packages like glibc.

For "trivial" packages (i.e. packages that won't cause a cascade of breakage), I see no problem running ~amd64, and I haven't even had too many problems with hard-masked packages (e.g. KDE 4).

So I'd say go ahead and run ~amd64; just be smart about it.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been using ~amd64 for about two years, works fine.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I'm going to update to ~amd64 based on this discussion...
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A side note: just because no one seems to have problems with ~arch (including myself) that doesn't make ~arch any more supported or any less dangerous. As always, if you use ~arch and something breaks beyond repair, the only one to blame will be *you*.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:45 pm    Post subject: Re: ~amd64, the age-old question Reply with quote

arnvidr wrote:
gentoofan23 wrote:
arnvidr wrote:
I feel like I've seen this discussed several times before, but my searches didn't help me out, so bear with me if you're tired of it :)

...and [I] might be able to help out more with testing on the arch,


Not true. You can help amd64 far more if you have an 'amd64' system rather than a '~amd64' system. All arch testing must be done on a pure stable system.


No reporting of "this and that package should be marked stable" if I run ~amd64?

Anyway, thanks all for the responses, will change my profile when I have the chance. :)


Pretty much. Well, no. ;) You can still open a bug and say that, but somebody'll(me ;) ) will have to redo it to see if really stable against stable libraries and such. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/at/procedures.xml That's the procedure guide for marking something stable(and opening a bug). But that's for Arch Testers.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a stable system with packages you want ~amd64 in the best option.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think a stable system with packages you want ~amd64 in the best option.


problem is such a list is quite long when compared to say a ... ~x86 system

To prove a point I went and submitted something like 50odd stability request bugs for ~amd64, there were some that were > 200days in ~amd64 with no pending bugs

Now some of these were stability request effecting all arch and those got stabilised very quickly.... but not amd64

basically amd64 seems to be understaffed so things sit in ~amd64 longer then they should
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CosminG wrote:
I think a stable system with packages you want ~amd64 in the best option.

Agreed
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problem is such a list is quite long when compared to say a ... ~x86 system

To prove a point I went and submitted something like 50odd stability request bugs for ~amd64, there were some that were > 200days in ~amd64 with no pending bugs

Now some of these were stability request effecting all arch and those got stabilised very quickly.... but not amd64

basically amd64 seems to be understaffed so things sit in ~amd64 longer then they should

That's just a reason to get involved and help out (and slap welp a bit ofc ;) Check this to see the dangers of unstable across the board and remember: autounmask is your friend for the packages you care about ;-)
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

steveL wrote:
CosminG wrote:
I think a stable system with packages you want ~amd64 in the best option.

Agreed
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problem is such a list is quite long when compared to say a ... ~x86 system

To prove a point I went and submitted something like 50odd stability request bugs for ~amd64, there were some that were > 200days in ~amd64 with no pending bugs

Now some of these were stability request effecting all arch and those got stabilised very quickly.... but not amd64

basically amd64 seems to be understaffed so things sit in ~amd64 longer then they should

That's just a reason to get involved and help out (and slap welp a bit ofc ;) Check this to see the dangers of unstable across the board and remember: autounmask is your friend for the packages you care about ;-)


Oh I know the danger, I got bitten by Uberlord pushing out a baselayout which caused yr system to lock up and thrash yr HD as the the devnode thing kinda stalled. Hosed my ext3 partition

but small price to pay for submitting bugs
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm running ~amd64 since september/october last year & no serious problems so far

try to avoid hardened + ~amd64, that would bomb out at almost every second package, system / world wouldn't even build / update :( :lol:

~amd64 (default-linux branch) is fine however with unmasked hardened flags & glibc & gcc
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had some trouble where I had to rebuild some packages after updating world, but am now happily running ~amd64 :)
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