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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:37 pm    Post subject: Does anyone actually use the Gimp in a serious capacity? Reply with quote

I mean sure, I certainly see it crop up in most xgl/beryl videos on youtube as it's multiple windows look nice and occasionally someone here will have it in the monthly screeshot threads. But as near as I can tell, even those people are just opening a random wallpaper for added bling (I'm guilty of that also). I'm a photographer by hobby <insert plug for my site here>, and I personally got so fed up of numerous things in the Gimp that I just gave up using it and went to Photoshop. Here's a short list:

It doesn't preserve EXIF information in photos.
It's UI was designed by a retarded monkey. I gather that the developers called in some UI specialists a while back, only to reject their suggestions as it would be too much work to change everything. I could dedicate a thread to the many ways in which the Gimp's UI is horrible.
It doesn't support anything above 8-bit color (how many years have people been asking for this?).
It...doesn't like tif format files, occasionally throwing up error messages or just plain dying when I try to open one via Lightroom, Aperture (I use OS X) or even the ever-dependable ufraw.

You probably get the idea at this point. I hear of project who entirely use open-source tools, the Gimp included. I wonder if any of them yearned for the sweet embrace of the grave. I'm a happy user of most open-source software, but the developers of the Gimp should be hauled out, beaten and set straight on how a good graphics editor should be.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Does anyone actually use the Gimp in a serious capacity? Reply with quote

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It's UI was designed by a retarded monkey. I gather that the developers called in some UI specialists a while back, only to reject their suggestions as it would be too much work to change everything. I could dedicate a thread to the many ways in which the Gimp's UI is horrible.

Maybe their UI is bad if all you have ever used is Photoshop, but if you give the GIMP the chance to be its own application and not expect everything to work the Photoshop way, you will find that its not really that bad. They have been making efforts to improve the UI in the development versions btw.
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It doesn't support anything above 8-bit color (how many years have people been asking for this?).

I believe they are waiting for gegl.
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It...doesn't like tif format files, occasionally throwing up error messages or just plain dying when I try to open one via Lightroom, Aperture (I use OS X) or even the ever-dependable ufraw.

Why would the GIMP make error messages when you try to open a tiff file in Lightroom?
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I'm a happy user of most open-source software, but the developers of the Gimp should be hauled out, beaten and set straight on how a good graphics editor should be.

Perhaps you should start working on it then. It is a great graphics editor for many people. Keep in mind that Photoshop is not the only good graphics editor.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Krita looks promising
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

inkscape + gimp tends to be a mighty fine combination for me?
inkscape to design it, gimp to cut and filter around on it.... the interface is definitely different from other programs, but once you get the hang of it, it's quite good imho. same with blender, actually...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I pretty much agree with darker. I use it a lot for general photo editing. While I am not any sort of avid photographer, I must say that it's not a bad app, but it is tough if you're coming from Photoshop.

As for who uses it, well, this isn't the Gimp per se, but it does get used a lot in the visual effects industry. Check out CinePaint, which is based off of it.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually I came from about two years solid of using the Gimp.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

plbe wrote:
Krita looks promising


Krita looks very immature. And it's going to take a long time (I think) before it reaches the functionality of the gimp, because these complicated programs evolve slowly. But it's UI model is certainly different and in that there's some hope.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the UI of Krita a lot, for its easier to find stuff and move around, but I prefer Gimp over it since it feels lighter, boots up faster, and seems better.

Iv been using the development version of Gimp, and its a lot better than the older versions, but I still use Photoshop 7 with Wine since its still better than Gimp. Photoshop still has many features I need for my editing needs.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not a big fan of the gimp. For simple stuff, sure, but if I'm doing really serious digital image creation/editing, I just run Photoshop 7.0 with vmware/wine. Yeah, I know, that kinda defeats the purpose of open source, but sometimes proprietary really is the best, at least for a select few applications. Besides, Photoshop is worth the money, if you ask me personally (unlike XP :p)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:28 am    Post subject: Re: Does anyone actually use the Gimp in a serious capacity? Reply with quote

Fenster wrote:
Does anyone actually use the Gimp in a serious capacity?

Well, I am a amateur filmmaker and I use the GIMP to design the (cover) artwork and it I haven't had any problems/complaints so far about the GIMP. I do use Adobe's Premiere program for editing movies, but I still prefer the GIMP over Photoshop.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am no graphic artist but I also truly hate Gimp's interface and I have never used Photoshop.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use it at work when I need to do image editing. But I agree with all your complaints. People that insist that the GIMP's interface is fine once you get used to it must never actually use the progam. I have been using it for years now, and I still have trouble remembing or figuring out how to do simple stuff. Yet if I try photophop, even with next to no experience at it, I can figure stuff out much quicker. I wishh that wasn't true, but it is.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally find the Gimp far easier to use than Photoshop in terms of UI, but that's probably because I use the Gimp more. The only thing that sends me to Photoshop sometimes is the lack of CMYK support in the Gimp.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It took me at least ten mins to figure out how to change the color of the bucket fill. Sad thing is I don't even remember what I did to change it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to use photoshop more and gimp was a royal pain to use (mostly editing, and random junk), now that I havent even bothered to touch PS for the last 2 years or so it is like second nature for some stuff. Once you learn how to do some of the basic stuff you really miss the functionality when you use PS again.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Photoshop's UI much better than the Gimp, but as I've been using nothing but the Gimp for quite some time, I don't really miss Photoshop that much.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO if gimp moved toward a PS like interface people would love it much more, as it is alot of the functions are hidden or are key shortcuts.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

... am I the only one who has heard of Gimpshop? Or is there a reason it has not been mentioned? Is it just too far behind GIMP? Is it not photoshoppy enough?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have used it personally its a nice idea but Gimp is what is broken and a hack to try and make it more photoshop like isnt going to solve the problems of undiscoverable options....
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was never able to get comfortable using The GIMP until I forgot all about Photoshop.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

is there a way to change the brush size on the fly yet, or do you still need a different brush for each size, that was really really annoying. Especially if you want to work on anything your going to print out in witch case you have to use a fairly big canvas. If your doing any real detail work for production thier default biggest brush size leaves you with the ability to edit an area equivalent to the tip of a pencil at a time.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They should make a libgimp (which of course would depend on other libraries too). Then create a seperate UI that interfaces with libgimp
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ASIO_BOB wrote:
They should make a libgimp (which of course would depend on other libraries too). Then create a seperate UI that interfaces with libgimp

Yeah, but I don't think we need 1,000 different UI's for it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never liked photo shop and its price made me sick. I did like psp pro for quite a while but have been using GIMP latly and i love it. best of all its FREE.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wswartzendruber wrote:
ASIO_BOB wrote:
They should make a libgimp (which of course would depend on other libraries too). Then create a seperate UI that interfaces with libgimp

Yeah, but I don't think we need 1,000 different UI's for it.


True, in fact the gimp developers would make a proper UI after consultation with UI experts. Hell you could even interface it with QT and keep KDE users happy
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