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Phenax
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Anyone tried the latest development version? It's quite different you know.
I'm not a graphics designer, but to me it looks like you can do most 2D stuff with only two or three tools, which are all GPL:ed: Gimp, Inkscape and Xara Extreme.
Though, the Gimp team should work on redesigning the so called backend. They really need to start supporting other colour palettes and colour depths. Let's hope that GEGL (or whatever it was called) becomes stable and incorperated into Gimp. Then I'd guess most people would accept the "this is not a Photoshop clone"-interface. 
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Sachankara wrote: | | Anyone tried the latest development version? It's quite different you know. |
Different how? It still has the same windows and the same menus. The icons are a little different and there seem to be more functions, but the basic ui is exactly the same. I have 2.3.14 here.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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The Gimp UI is amazing ina dualscreen envirinment.
Tools on one side, a fullscreen canvas on the other.
What's the name of that thing that allows you to create and move buttons? I saw a YouTube video on it a while ago. Looks very promising.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| numerodix wrote: | | Sachankara wrote: | | Anyone tried the latest development version? It's quite different you know. |
Different how? It still has the same windows and the same menus. The icons are a little different and there seem to be more functions, but the basic ui is exactly the same. I have 2.3.14 here. |
Do you have a time machine? 2.3.13 was released a day or two ago.
As for the UI, they have been adding previews to more tools, and they are trying to make it more consistent. Many of the menus have also been reorganized.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| darker wrote: | | numerodix wrote: | | Sachankara wrote: | | Anyone tried the latest development version? It's quite different you know. |
Different how? It still has the same windows and the same menus. The icons are a little different and there seem to be more functions, but the basic ui is exactly the same. I have 2.3.14 here. |
Do you have a time machine? 2.3.13 was released a day or two ago.
As for the UI, they have been adding previews to more tools, and they are trying to make it more consistent. Many of the menus have also been reorganized. |
# layman -a fluidportage
# emerge gimp-latest (you get a cvs build)
Well I don't know it intimately, so maybe I didn't notice anything different, but the menus seem the same to me. The big pain to me is still having all those separate windows around. I tend to have a few windows on my desktop already, like firefox, kopete, mplayer, konsole etc. With 3-4 new windows from the gimp, it's a hassle to manage which is on top etc.
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I've found the best way for me is to put the GIMP stuff all on its own workspace. That way it doesn't clutter everything else up.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| richk449 wrote: | | I use it at work when I need to do image editing. But I agree with all your complaints. People that insist that the GIMP's interface is fine once you get used to it must never actually use the progam. I have been using it for years now, and I still have trouble remembing or figuring out how to do simple stuff. Yet if I try photophop, even with next to no experience at it, I can figure stuff out much quicker. I wishh that wasn't true, but it is. |
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I use it to create logos and have used it to work on wallpapering (layering and such for .edje files).
Nothing wrong with the detached UI. It has plenty of other problems though.
Maybe that's just because I haven't read the manual for key-shortcuts and such that would make it more pleasant to use.
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| Valkura wrote: | | ... am I the only one who has heard of Gimpshop? Or is there a reason it has not been mentioned? Is it just too far behind GIMP? Is it not photoshoppy enough? |
I've used Gimpshop on my Macbook for about six months now. A few menu entries were changed, but some important things are still buried in weird places and none of the default Gimp keyboard shortcuts were changed, which was odd considering that Gimpshop is trying to emulate Photoshop's UI (neither Curves, Levels or the Colour Balance tools are keybound, for example).
Feh, dual monitors are all well and good, I'm stuck in a 15" MBP right now. |
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| Fenster wrote: | | Valkura wrote: | | ... am I the only one who has heard of Gimpshop? Or is there a reason it has not been mentioned? Is it just too far behind GIMP? Is it not photoshoppy enough? |
I've used Gimpshop on my Macbook for about six months now. A few menu entries were changed, but some important things are still buried in weird places and none of the default Gimp keyboard shortcuts were changed, which was odd considering that Gimpshop is trying to emulate Photoshop's UI (neither Curves, Levels or the Colour Balance tools are keybound, for example).
Feh, dual monitors are all well and good, I'm stuck in a 15" MBP right now. |
"stuck" 
I don't use either much, so I have nothing further to add
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| Quote: | | It's UI was designed by a retarded monkey. |
What version are you using? I think the UI was overhauled with 2.0. I hated it before, but now it's virtually perfect for me. And I didn't have to "get used" to it.
| Quote: | | It doesn't support anything above 8-bit color (how many years have people been asking for this?). |
Major flaw for the "serious" people. I really think they should support 16 bit. However, for personal users, 8 bit serves the purpose. AFAIK, the human eye can't tell the difference - it's only when you start playing with levels, etc that artifacts may show up because of 8 bit.
| Quote: | | I believe they are waiting for gegl. |
Who are waiting to get developers for this...
It also doesn't support color management (although planned for 2.4).
Krita supports both color management and 16 bit files. I haven't used it much, however. Anyone else? I'm guessing Gimp's still a lot better in terms of manipulation, plugins, etc.
I think Gimp has great potential - but getting people to use it is quite hard when they don't have 16 bit support.
Having said this, I use Gimp a lot for photo editing. I am "mostly" happy with it. And I hope more people work on Gimp, develop more scripts and plugins, etc. If Gimp can't be a good photo manipulation tool, then probably no open source software will.
Out of curiosity, what are people's complaints about Gimp's UI? Did the people read the docs? Perhaps (just a guess) Gimp is not intuitive if you haven't read the docs - but once you read them, it all makes sense (to me, at least).
I'm seeing lots of "Gimp sucks at ___", but no one is elaborating. What features are missing? What do people do in Photoshop that's a pain in Gimp?
| Quote: | | It took me at least ten mins to figure out how to change the color of the bucket fill. Sad thing is I don't even remember what I did to change it. |
Umm...sort of trivial on my side - unless for some reason you didn't have the panel showing the color of the current tool (i.e. disabled accidentally at some point).
| Quote: | | is there a way to change the brush size on the fly yet, or do you still need a different brush for each size, that was really really annoying. |
I can agree with this one: They should just have a slider when you click the brush tool.
| Quote: | | The big pain to me is still having all those separate windows around. I tend to have a few windows on my desktop already, like firefox, kopete, mplayer, konsole etc. With 3-4 new windows from the gimp, it's a hassle to manage which is on top etc. |
I guess people fall into two camps: Those who like it all in one window, and those who like separate windows. I know plenty of both (and I like the latter for Gimp). It would be nice if you could have an option to switch from one to the other...
I just keep a separate workspace for Gimp - solves all those problems you're mentioning.
| Quote: | | Maybe that's just because I haven't read the manual for key-shortcuts and such that would make it more pleasant to use. |
It really would. Most of the tools I use don't have default shortcuts. So I created my own (very trivial to do from the Preferences). Also, the default toolbox doesn't have all the tools - if one you use is missing, you can add it to it.
Long post - sorry.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I use a tiling window manager for a lot of the time. Gimp does not work well with it. |
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| Phenax wrote: | | I use a tiling window manager for a lot of the time. Gimp does not work well with it. |
If you use wmii you can just put it in float mode and it works fine. I'm guessing ion has something similar, and I have no idea about dwm.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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| On 8 and 16 bit colours, go here for a few shots I put up as an example. Roll on GEGL :[ |
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My guess is that the problems are more due to the change in colorspace than the shift from 16 to 8 bits...
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| Fenster wrote: | | On 8 and 16 bit colours, go here for a few shots I put up as an example. Roll on GEGL :[ |
That really looks like color management/profile issue and has most likely nothing to do with 8/16 bits. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone actually use the Gimp in a serious capacity? |
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| Fenster wrote: | | I'm a photographer by hobby <insert plug for my site here>, and I personally got so fed up of numerous things in the Gimp that I just gave up using it and went to Photoshop. Here's a short list: |
I'm not willing to pay for PS, so I still use Gimp for my photos. I use other tools to view EXIF data.
- After I've Gimp'd an image, some of the EXIF data is no longer accurate, so I don't see a huge need to keep it, though it'd be nice.
- UI's are one of those religious wars IMO... not everyone will agree on what is best. Take GNOME's "the user is an idiot" approach, versus KDE's "chaos theory" approach (though I hear they're supposedly cleaning it up).
- More than 8-bit would be nice
- I don't use TIFF, so this isn't a problem for me. I use ufraw from time to time, but I'm not sold on RAW photography yet.
Nothing else comes to mind, but I only do a few basics with my photos... I'm not interested in major alterations, just some slight improvements.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone actually use the Gimp in a serious capacity? |
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| pjp wrote: | Take GNOME's "the user is an idiot" approach, versus KDE's "chaos theory" approach (though I hear they're supposedly cleaning it up).
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject: Re: Does anyone actually use the Gimp in a serious capacity? |
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| tylerwylie wrote: | | pjp wrote: | Take GNOME's "the user is an idiot" approach, versus KDE's "chaos theory" approach (though I hear they're supposedly cleaning it up).
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he never said anything about speed, get your mind out of the gutter.
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| Quote: | | but I'm not sold on RAW photography yet. |
Dunno - the extra bits give more leeway, according to most.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Beetle B. wrote: | | Quote: | | but I'm not sold on RAW photography yet. |
Dunno - the extra bits give more leeway, according to most. |
I'm not into editing pixels to death in my photos. If I've done my job correctly as a photographer (or more correctly, if I learn to do my job correctly as a photographer) I shouldn't need to do too much post-processing work.
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I love the people who make a interlaced video for a picture slide show... OMG PEOPLE USE PROGRESSIVE!!!
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| pjp wrote: | | Beetle B. wrote: | | Quote: | | but I'm not sold on RAW photography yet. |
Dunno - the extra bits give more leeway, according to most. |
I'm not into editing pixels to death in my photos. If I've done my job correctly as a photographer (or more correctly, if I learn to do my job correctly as a photographer) I shouldn't need to do too much post-processing work. |
It's easy if you're in a studio or have the time at a location to take meter readings, set up reflectors, grad ND filters, etc., but if you're someone who does things like birthday parties (I enjoy working with kids, sue me), you're pretty much shooting and praying - try getting a hyperactive four year old to sit still for more than five seconds. RAW, and more than that, higher megapixels, give me the leeway to salvage what'd otherwise be a bad photo.
But hey, to each their own. :]
EDIT: And I ironically love Gnome, as I've always felt KDE has just too many superfluous options. |
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I won't disagree that RAW can be useful. I'm betting that I'll eventually find situations when I prefer to use it.
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