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Snappi Tux's lil' helper

Joined: 20 Oct 2003 Posts: 113
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | stopped sending messages when you shut down your network |
I said that when I did a /etc/init.d/net.eth0 stop in my network I shutdown my own network, not his. since he could still write I assumed he started my network somehow. I have confirmed this whit my neighbor. because he got everything I typed. he runs windows. |
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dev-urandom Apprentice


Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 260 Location: Huh?
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Snappi wrote: | | Quote: | | stopped sending messages when you shut down your network |
I said that when I did a /etc/init.d/net.eth0 stop in my network I shutdown my own network, not his. since he could still write I assumed he started my network somehow. I have confirmed this whit my neighbor. because he got everything I typed. he runs windows. |
Cool, no offense intended, but this is too unbelievable to be true. Anyway, I take your word for it, and I'll stay clear of that keyboard ... I don't want my neighbor sending me crap  _________________ /earth: file system full. |
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albright Veteran


Joined: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 1763 Location: Near Toronto
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 1:11 am Post subject: |
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this has *got* to be the weirdest and maybe most amusing
thread I've ever followed and what a plot: from sinister hacking,
to suspicions about the poster, to comical denouement ... can't
be beat |
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elzorro n00b

Joined: 20 Nov 2006 Posts: 5
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| who needs jabber when we can all share keypresses |
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GNUtoo Veteran


Joined: 05 May 2005 Posts: 1919
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| batistuta wrote: | Sorry if I over-reacted. It's just that lots of things make just no sense whatsoever to me. I don't call my neighbour, I visit him/her. I don't get how you could get a keyboard without encryption (I would expect that from my grandma but not from a Gentoo user). I can't believe your neighbour has the same keyboard, and that the EM waves make it through the walls. I can't believe that there is then also a third person with the same keyboard messing up with both of you (and that the signal makes it there). I discard your neighbour being the bad guy threatening you, and it didn't sound like it. I can't understand that you didn't experience random keys, because the guy wouldn't know when you have focus on a terminal window. And then it would be obvious that someone is tapping onto your keyboard. you also mentioned that this didn't happen when unplugged from the net, and that the guy could sense when eth0 was stopped. I don't understand why you didn't answer important questions that people asked many times, like if you are behing NAT. I can't understand how you could say you'll trash your keyboard without mentioning which keyboard is so that others don't have the same problem, or at least ask if anyone with it has experienced problems, or how to secure the channel. You still didn't mention what your next thing to try would have been, in order to enhance the knowledge of others. Basically, almost nothing makes sense here.
But I am aware that just because I don't understand something, this doesn't mean that I'm right. So put it this way: if your problem was genuine, please accept my deepest apologies for over-reacting. I've had a long day at work myself. Hope you get things working now.
In any case, this thread is full of useful information that will benefit lots of other users. |
do you know tempest?
you can capture the radio waves of the monitor of the PC |
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batistuta Veteran


Joined: 29 Jul 2005 Posts: 1384 Location: Aachen
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| GNUtoo wrote: | do you know tempest?
you can capture the radio waves of the monitor of the PC |
Finally something that makes sense  |
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pteppic l33t

Joined: 28 Nov 2005 Posts: 781
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| GNUtoo wrote: | | you can capture the radio waves of the monitor of the PC |
Too true, I sell tinfoil monitor cozys with earth straps knitted from steel wool from my cafepress page.
I'm thinking of branching into keyboard covers and mouse mats now too! |
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Fruitwoot Tux's lil' helper

Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 93 Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 2:24 am Post subject: |
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Well, that is true and this is one thing about "spying" 101 probably
I also heard about a lot of others electrical things that combined together may emitted waves that can be decrypted.
This story is incredible ... logical but incredible by itself by the way it happens and been discovered ...
I know some guy who may offer this keyboard to some girls  _________________ Things Fall Apart, The Center Cannot Hold |
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jeanfrancis Veteran


Joined: 17 Dec 2005 Posts: 1481 Location: Québec, Canada
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Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 3:05 am Post subject: |
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| Fruitwoot wrote: | I know some guy who may offer this keyboard to some girls  |
LOL
Easy spy  |
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tence_g n00b

Joined: 11 Sep 2006 Posts: 3
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Posted: Sun Nov 26, 2006 7:41 am Post subject: |
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Well...I guess it's a good time to change your RF chan... lol
funny thread though |
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yeti n00b


Joined: 14 Oct 2006 Posts: 7 Location: Madison, WI
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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Is it time to rename this thread to "keep getting hacked [solved]"?
That will add suspense for anyone new reading along... |
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DocReedSolomon Guru


Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 419
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Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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great thread, someone should make this sticky
btw: i dont care if this is serious or not, never had so much fun recently  |
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rek2 Guru


Joined: 05 Jan 2003 Posts: 477 Location: Boston USA/Barcelona Spain
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Corona688 Veteran


Joined: 10 Jan 2004 Posts: 1204
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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To those who thought the neighbor wouldn't have been saying odd things: Consider he probably thought HIS computer was being hacked. That would be a very strange conversation!
Some wireless keyboards can achieve a suprisingly long range! Between rooms, hell -- there've been reports of interference between adjacent floors. They go a lot farther than I've ever seen a wireless mouse go... It's a much lower bandwidth thing, I guess they use a simpler signal that takes more distance to garble. _________________ Petition for Better 64-bit ATI Drivers - Sign Here
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DocReedSolomon Guru


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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Corona688 wrote: | | To those who thought the neighbor wouldn't have been saying odd things: Consider he probably thought HIS computer was being hacked. |
but thats what he actually *did* think about!
i guess none of you read all of those 4 pages. and no, there have not been 3 guys with the same keyboard, just 2 of them. |
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Corona688 Veteran


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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| DocReedSolomon wrote: | but thats what he actually *did* think about!
i guess none of you read all of those 4 pages. and no, there have not been 3 guys with the same keyboard, just 2 of them. | Thank you, captain obvious. I know that. Obviously, not everyone on this thread does. _________________ Petition for Better 64-bit ATI Drivers - Sign Here
http://www.petitiononline.com/atipet/petition.html |
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Ast0r Guru

Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Posts: 404 Location: Dallas, Tx - USA
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Posted: Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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| pteppic wrote: | | der bastler wrote: | | Or do we have to assume that overall three keyboards on one frequency were involved and the [fingerquotes]hacker[/fingerquotes] is still around? |
Well, if that is the case, wire the keyboard up to a power supply (so the batteries don't run out) duct tape down the ctrl-alt-del keys, and stick it in the loft, paybacks a bitch. |
Hahahahaha. That is, hands down, the funniest thing I have ever read on the Gentoo forums. |
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DocReedSolomon Guru


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Havin_it l33t

Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 942 Location: Edinburgh, UK
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| yeti wrote: | Is it time to rename this thread to "keep getting hacked [solved]"?
That will add suspense for anyone new reading along... |
Worked for me... I have not been so GLUED to a thread since my run-in with that giant spider...
Still don't know whether to believe this, but hey I WANT to. In fact I want some of these keyboards to make 'presents' to my own neighbours!
I think this should go in the GWN next week. Who do we see about that? |
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DocReedSolomon Guru


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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2006 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Havin_it wrote: | I want some of these keyboards to make 'presents' to my own neighbours!
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same here  |
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saffsd Tux's lil' helper

Joined: 03 Mar 2006 Posts: 139
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Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| Definitely the most entertaining read I've had on this forum in awhile! I'm not convinced it's true it's certainly a hilarious premise. I wonder how long it will be before something like this makes it into a mainstream sitcom? |
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svenk Tux's lil' helper


Joined: 04 Aug 2005 Posts: 97 Location: Germany
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Posted: Tue Dec 05, 2006 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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I think it's the question what exactly he's able to do: Perhaps the complete (linux) system has already been "anulled" by a kernel rootkit - then you aren't able to do anything any more if you're not an expert.
I think at first there is only one question:
How does the "hacker" communicate, which means which possibilities does he have? (for example: user account -> wall messages?; free X11 access -> all X possibilities?; X Root account -> everything?)
You haven't described that process at all. For example:
- He's sending you wall messages: They appear in all terminals and are probably displayed by your Desktop Enviroment (KDE does that) and surely even logged by your logger. To send these messages, he needs access to a local user account, even things like "guest" or "nobody". In general, you should be able to read who's send the message.
- He's controlling your session via VNC: This may be the most confusing thing, because he can control your graphical session, send keys and mouse events and see the contents of your screen. Perhaps you're running an open VNC server who's not protected by a password
- He's even controlling your whole X session: Perhaps you have disabled X server access control and any client may connect to your server. A Xclient can do everything, even recieve all keyboard inputs, ... - see especially "xhost" and "man xhost"
- He's written a program which opens a backdoor ("trojan"), so he can connect via that service. Perhaps he's installed that program when you have not been at your computer (that would assume that he's a family member, a near friend, a neighbour, etc.)
That are only very simple examples. But it's really strange that he's (obviously) "cracked" your computer three times after you've reinstalled everything. Maybe you should improve your security strategy
Sven
EDIT: LOL - I've not seen that there are already four pages of discussion and the thread is already marked as "solved" - sorry for my stupid help  _________________ people said there would be nothing else other than gentoo. I agreed, looking through my window. For many years, I've seen nothing. After smashing the window, my brain got free. Yeah, nowadays I live windowless. |
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psic n00b


Joined: 11 Dec 2005 Posts: 63 Location: Slovenia
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Posted: Wed Dec 06, 2006 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| GNUtoo wrote: |
do you know tempest?
you can capture the radio waves of the monitor of the PC |
Have you read the book 'Cryptonomicon' by Neil Stephenson? In it he describes Van Eck phreaking, which actually exists, according to wikipedia. Interesting stuff. |
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TheJoker89 Tux's lil' helper

Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 132
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Posted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Havin_it wrote: | I want some of these keyboards to make 'presents' to my own neighbours!
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same here, anyonne knows the game "bad neighbours" or Something? (sry is for winshit i know XD) _________________ gib gates keine chance |
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Darknight Guru


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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 1:18 am Post subject: |
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In all honesty I have elected this thread to be "thread of the decade" for me. I won't say anything more  |
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