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| If emerge didn't exist I would use.... |
| apt (.deb based) |
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49% |
[ 67 ] |
| yum, yast, urpmi, u2date, etc., (.rpm based) |
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10% |
[ 14 ] |
| slapt, slackpkg, swaret, etc., (slackware and .tgz based) |
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5% |
[ 8 ] |
| packman (used by Arch Linux) |
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17% |
[ 24 ] |
| conary (used by Foresight Linux and rPath Linux) |
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2% |
[ 4 ] |
| smart (independent) |
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1% |
[ 2 ] |
| other, please specify |
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12% |
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jdm64
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 Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:41 pm Post subject: If emerge didn't exist.... |
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Ok, imagine for a moment that you live in an alternate universe where emerge (or any other automated source based package manager) doesn't exist!
Now, you have to choose what binary package manager you're going to use instead.
For those of you that insist on installing from source the question would be: what would you recommend to somebody else (especially a n00b/windows/mac user)?
For me, I would use Apt. I can't stand anything that uses rpm!
I have tried slackware and didn't like it. And the others I havn't tried at all.
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I'd use FreeBSD, and the Ports collection, or if that didn't exist, pkg_add. Using the FreeBSD Make: | Code: | | # make && make install clean |
It pulls in all dependencies and compiles them. For upgrading, I'd use Portupgrade, which is separate from Ports, which has a far more robust dependency handling method than Portage.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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It's simple, I wouldn't use an automated package manager. I like installing from source and portage makes that easier.
If I didn't have portage I might as well just take the plunge and make everything Linux from scratch.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| jdm64 wrote: | | The question is asking what would you use if you couldn't use emerge (installation by source). |
Well, considering the requirements of the GPL, I'd be more interested in what you'd use if there were no binaries. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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I voted other because...I'd still be using Windows. Seriously, I couldn't fathom apt-get at all when I tried Debian, and Gentoo was the only Linux system I could reliably keep updated when I was new to Linux. Frankly, Gentoo (and portage) were my last try at 'that Linux thing'.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with tanbus on this one. I never liked any of the other package managers or the binary formats they all used. RPM was a nightmare and Debian was just insane on a try. I switched to Gentoo when someone mentiioned they used it to me.
They also began to wonder why I was using Gentoo when I had issues with networking instead of something like Mandrake.
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Besides portage, I've used apt (Ubuntu) and YaST (SuSe) and I would have to say I liked apt better, but it's still definitely not something I'd be 100% comfortable using.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:11 am Post subject: |
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In all honesty, I'd probably switch to FreeBSD and use Ports. 
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| doubleagent wrote: | | In all honesty, I'd probably switch to FreeBSD and use Ports. |
Anything besides source-based "package" management is a bit annoying.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| jdm64 wrote: | But, other than that what automated binary package manager would you use.
Or, what would you recommend to somebody else? |
yum does good enough of a job, until you find yourself compiling stuff for hardware that the distro doesn't support or for stuff not in the native repositories.
| jdm64 wrote: | In that case you could use
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The only time I've ever started building a system from scratch I quickly lost interest because it's a pita. I'd have to agree, without emerge Windows would get most of my use. There are some specialized binary distros that I might use where they are strong. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:48 am Post subject: |
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im already using freebsd and ports...
imho its just better than portage. BUT, if i couldnt use portage on linux (and couldnt use ports) id just go to windows. gentoo is the only linux ill install on any of my machines soley because the package manager is the only one that i can stand.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| Conary sounds nice. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:56 am Post subject: |
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First choice for the pure packaging manager: Conary - it's an absolutely awesome piece of work. However neither rPath nor Foresight Linux really forfill my needs as a distro. Fedora with Conary would be my favored solution but that will require a lot of work to get done.
So I settled on the one I'm using right now, yum and rpmbuild. |
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I voted for yum but I probably would end up using Freebsd.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| tabanus wrote: | | I voted other because...I'd still be using Windows. Seriously, I couldn't fathom apt-get at all when I tried Debian, and Gentoo was the only Linux system I could reliably keep updated when I was new to Linux. Frankly, Gentoo (and portage) were my last try at 'that Linux thing'. |
What part of apt-get didn't you understand? It works similar to emerge just with binary packages. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| slycordinator wrote: | | tabanus wrote: | | I voted other because...I'd still be using Windows. Seriously, I couldn't fathom apt-get at all when I tried Debian, and Gentoo was the only Linux system I could reliably keep updated when I was new to Linux. Frankly, Gentoo (and portage) were my last try at 'that Linux thing'. |
What part of apt-get didn't you understand? It works similar to emerge just with binary packages. |
If I tried again now, I'd probably get on OK with it. Gentoo has taught me everything I know about Linux. But as a total n00b, I had no clue what I was doing, and I have a vague recollection of an unresolved dependency issue, which I just couldn't solve.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:35 am Post subject: |
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| LD wrote: | ./configure
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make install. |
Haha reminds me when i first downloaded a source package on redhat and had no idea how to install it .. then of course figured out about rpm .
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:39 am Post subject: Re: If emerge didn't exist.... |
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| jdm64 wrote: | | I have tried slackware and didn't like it. And the others I havn't tried at all. |
slapt-get (in your poll options) is just debian's apt-get using installpkg, upgradepkg, and removepkg |
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| slycordinator wrote: | | What part of apt-get didn't you understand? It works similar to emerge just with binary packages. |
and source packages, and OS upgrades. It is not just for binaries |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:25 am Post subject: |
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if it didn't exist.. Illd make it
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 10:32 am Post subject: |
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I'd only be using freebsd. seriously. only two reasons i use linux: nwn runs on it and portage. (ports is great, but emerge really does keep stuff simple and fast.)
(well, okay, granted, looking stuff up in the linux kernel is a lot easier than looking it up in the *bsd kernels, so that's a small #3)
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| Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:19 am Post subject: Re: If emerge didn't exist.... |
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...I'd write my own Portage with reverse dependency handling.
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