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DocReedSolomon
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# Pending removal 23 November for multiple bugs
# Use media-sound/audacious
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emerge -C xmms
remove xmms from your useflag, and run emerge -uDv --newuse world
you probably will have to recompile flac, and some other things if you had xmms in your USEflags. |
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DocReedSolomon
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: |
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You mentioned some good points, but it's still a dead project. The upstream is dead for a long time and we should let it go. 
I'm using now audacious (after I've used XMMS for a very long time) |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| ahurst wrote: | ....
Do you need a maintainer to volunteer?
Cheers,
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If you read the devel list you will find all your points are valid and brought up before. The problem is essentially pointed out by your question, the short answer of which is Yes. So if you want to maintain it, go ahead, they'll be glad to hear that, but remember you will have to support gtk1 as well, since it seems to be the last major prog using it. |
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DocReedSolomon
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| Insanity5902 wrote: | | If you had xmms set in your use flags, then, go ahead and remove xmms form your use flags |
yes, if you like to have your conf files tidy. OTOH it is already masked for you directly in the profile
http://farragut.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org/
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The xmms useflag is now use.masked too so if you run a -NuavD world you’ll see some packages needing a rebuild for the removed useflag. |
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jeli
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:11 am Post subject: |
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Removing XMMS because it's 'old' is such a stupid thing to do..
It's great you advocate audacious.. the developer is a great guy doing wonderful things.. but simply removing xmms because you like audacious is a terrible and arrogant thing to do.
Chalk up another vote for keeping xmms in portage. |
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DocReedSolomon
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:19 am Post subject: |
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| jeli wrote: | Removing XMMS because it's 'old' is such a stupid thing to do..
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and whom do you call responsible if there are vulnerabilitys in the code, i might wonder..
if the code is not maintaned anymore by the upstream, noone will fix security leaks. IMHO thats the point here.. |
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jeli
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Well considering it's not been updated thus far and no harmful code has been found yet.
If some harmful code should surface that's a completely different story. Netscape4 was in portage WAY longer than XMMS has been. It really seems to me this is a lot of hurrying to get rid of an "ugly" app.. which I find absolutely silly. |
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Kaste
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| There are bugs already which aren't necessarily dangerous but exist nonetheless and xmms won't disappear it will just be moved to an overlay, so if you really want to keep it get the overlay. |
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DocReedSolomon
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| Kaste wrote: | | Tit will just be moved to an overlay, so if you really want to keep it get the overlay. |
didnt you read the link i posted?
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And no, I’m not going to move it to an overlay as Luis planned, as I don’t trust having unmaintained stuff in “official” overlays. |
if you like to keep it, you could put it to your own local overlay, of course (usually /usr/local/portage) |
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ahurst
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Aye,
I didn't want to start a war! =)
I see your point - and gtk 1 pulls in an old glib,
although that seems to be as far as the deps go.
As far as the points I mentioned above go, I really don't think XMMS has been truly superceded, even if it is a bit messy to maintain.
I think when XMMS disappears from the tree I'll be very tempted to keep the old package files on my hard disk and install it by hand!
A lot of users will feel like they're being forced to buy a chainsaw to carve their sunday roast, when they've used a nice simple carving knife for years. |
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Kaste
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| Oh Sorry doc, I read his blog earlier and must have missed that line. I was stating what i read on the dev-list. Sorry for the confusion. |
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HeXiLeD
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 1:40 pm Post subject: xmms is gone... liveice plugin alternative ? |
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So it finally happened. Xmms is gone...
Info :
Diego Pettenò
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will be finally getting rid of XMMS. Last night Ive masked it, as Luis wants to leave us 
Once again the problem is that XMMS has no maintainer, has no upstream, its bugged like hell, and its an old piece of crap right now. If you still hare using XMMS, you should consider modern alternatives like Audacious, Amarok, BMPx, MPD, Rythmbox, and XMMS2 that will enter portage sooner or later.
With XMMS, also all the plugins will go away, and all the software that depends on xmms. The xmms useflag is now use.masked too so if you run a -NuavD world youll see some packages needing a rebuild for the removed useflag.
This time there wont be way to save XMMS, because were really sticking to a software that is dead and should remain dead. If you dont think any of the current players suits your need but XMMS, you probably need either to write your own, or fix the problems in the ones currently used.
No, Im not trying to break Gentoo, Im trying to remove unmaintained, broken stuff that will not be maintained by any developer. And no, Im not going to move it to an overlay as Luis planned, as I dont trust having unmaintained stuff in official overlays.
Edit: for those wondering, my birthday is not now, its November 28th, which means around the date when XMMS is going to be cvs rm -fd out  |
source here
Details:
The only reason i was using xmms was due to a specific plugin. this one :
| Code: | * media-plugins/xmms-liveice [ Masked ]
Latest version available: 1.0.0-r1
Latest version installed: 1.0.0-r1
Size of files: 129 kB
Homepage: http://star.arm.ac.uk/~spm/software/liveice.html
Description: Stream your XMMS playlist to Shout/Icecast server
License: GPL-2 |
And i have been running Audacious for a while now which keeps me happy but it doesnt have the same plugins that we had with xmms.
Right now the only plugin i would like to get for audacious would be this liveice one.
I know that i could be using icecast but i REALLY prefer the shoutcast stream way insted of the icecast.
Question:
Alternatives to this liveice plugin for audacious ? or can it be made to work with audacious ?
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mirage-pt
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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The real question is, when will the layman overlay arrive? :)
One of the most famous linux packages of all time can't just disapear like this. Please, for the sake of respect for the people who still like xmms and find it useful, create an overlay.
BTW, I have mp3's that play fine in xmms and not in audacious. Another example is how i had to patch x11-plugins/gkrellmms to use audacious. And yes, i use mainly audacious, but still, it's not a drop-in replacement. Devs, don't get cocky. It hurts gentoo. Birthday present... really funny. Not. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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mirage-pt,
Welcome to Gentoo.
The same thread that Blue-Steel quoted from says that XMMS will be moved to an overlay.
Until its removed from the tree, you can simply unmask it. You can move it to your own overlay before it disappears too.
After that, it will still be in the Gentoo online archive.
Be aware that XMMS is not maintained and there have been several forks of its codebase.
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userwaldo
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I'm not into the change from xmms to audacious. xmms has way to many plugins to just drop it. Once these plugins have been ported they I might consider the change.
On top of that, I received no warning of this change. It seems like the gentoo developers have shifted from choise to pushing their own preferences on everyone. Seems like this goes against the whole spirit of Linux and the Open Source community. I'm sad to see the changes.
Could someone at least point to the script that should be used to move the ebuilds to the local portage tree. It can be done manually, but there are so many plugins, the least the developers could do is to provide a simple script, if they are going to ax a classic Linux app. |
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mirage-pt
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks NeddySeagoon! That's some good news. I understand xmms is full of problems, but it's still a functional package for what it is (hey, I *hate* utf-8, for example). I thank the creators of the overlay for their time. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 3:27 pm Post subject: xmms masked |
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when trying to do an update on my machine, i get these messages.
# emerge -uaDv world
--- Invalid atom in /etc/portage/package.keywords: ~net-print/hplip
--- Invalid atom in /etc/portage/package.keywords: ~net-print/hplip
These are the packages that would be merged, in order:
Calculating world dependencies |
!!! All ebuilds that could satisfy "media-sound/xmms" have been masked.
!!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request:
- media-sound/xmms-1.2.10-r16 (masked by: package.mask, ~x86 keyword)
# Diego Pettenò <flameeyes@gentoo.org> (23 Oct 2006)
# Pending removal 23 November for multiple bugs
# Use anything but this, like media-sound/audacious
# media-sound/amarok media-sound/mpd media-sound/rythmbox
# media-sound/muine media-sound/banshee
- media-sound/xmms-1.2.10-r14 (masked by: package.mask)
- media-sound/xmms-1.2.10-r15 (masked by: package.mask)
For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or
refer to the Gentoo Handbook.
(dependency required by "media-video/mplayer-1.0_pre8" [ebuild])
!!! Problem resolving dependencies for net-www/mplayerplug-in
!!! Depgraph creation failed.
Can anyone tell me how I would fix this. |
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abhichan
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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I removed the xmms from the USE flags in the make.conf file and then
I used the command
#equery hasuse xmms
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--- Invalid atom in /etc/portage/package.keywords: ~net-print/hplip
[ Searching for USE flag xmms in all categories among: ]
* installed packages
[I--] [ ] media-sound/amarok-1.4.3-r1 (0)
[I--] [ ] media-sound/normalize-0.7.6-r2 (0)
[I--] [ ] media-libs/faad2-2.0-r11 (0)
[I--] [ ] media-libs/flac-1.1.2-r3 (0)
[I--] [ ] media-video/mplayer-1.0_pre8 (0)
[I--] [ ] kde-base/kopete-3.5.2 (3.5)
[I--] [ ] kde-base/kicker-applets-3.5.2 (3.5)
I tried installing the applications one by one and but when i got to mplayer it failed to install. I am not sure what to do from here...Could anyone please help... |
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Does anyone know what's going to happen to Madman? (Madman used XMMS to play files)
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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this is really stupid! i love amarok but i use xmms when running on battery, cause amarok needs alot more cpu then xmms.
keep it! there are a few bugs, but i don't care, cause it works in 99% of the time. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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Although I can imagine why many complain about this, I just want to point out that 'the developers' are just a group of people with a finite amount of time. And it's up to them to make those choices. If you don't agree, just become a developer and start maintaining a package you want to see in portage. There is enough information on gentoo.org to figure out how to solve the problems masking xmms gives and you can always use portage overlay.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| userwaldo wrote: | | It seems like the gentoo developers have shifted from choise to pushing their own preferences on everyone. Seems like this goes against the whole spirit of Linux and the Open Source community. |
Choice is good. But there are simply not enough maintainers and developers. So they have to set priorities and make choices on what to concentrate their limited time and resources. If you are unhappy with this, then you can become a dev and maintain this yourself. Or you have the choice to save the xmms and gtk1 ebuilds in your local portage overlay and deal with the bugs yourself. All in the spirit of Free Software! 
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| Posted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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I'm truly baffled:
Historically xmms was one of the first apps to make using linux over Windows a truly compromise-free experience. And it still wipes the floor with many other players in terms of the points I state above. It's a cornerstone of linux!
And it's being kicked out in favour of (forgive me Gary Baker and others) things like Sonic Rainbow, moosic, mixxx, bpmDJ.
Good grief!
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