firefox renamed BON ECHO??

padoor · Veteran Joined: 29 Dec 2005 Posts: 2768 Location: india

my update just emerged mozilla-firefox-2.0.rc3

help calls itself Bon Echo
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UncleOwen · Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:11 am Post subject:

It's not a bug, it's a feature

The Mozilla Foundation has very strict (and IMHO braindead) rules on what may call itself Firefox and what not.

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Shopro · Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:41 am Post subject:

I think theres a use flag called branding which might enable the official branding.
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UncleOwen · Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:44 am Post subject:

przeuj · Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:43 am Post subject:

I heard about this already for fedora and ubuntu (if I recall correctly).

That is a bit stupid IMO and wont do anything good. Just another item on the list of obscure linux things for newbies... :lol:

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UncleOwen · Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:32 am Post subject:

Ah, yes. I thought you were saying that Gentoo has rules for the name firefox, which would be wired...

golding · Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:09 pm Post subject:

I don't understand!

Gentoo supposedly compiles everything from source, so how do we break the Firefox package such that we aren't allowed to use their branding?

Who do I complain to, on our side and on theirs?

Just pure political mumbo jumbo IMHO
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rokstar83 · Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:43 pm Post subject:

On the mozilla side it has everything to do with trademark and Quality Assurance. On the gentoo side it has everything to do with source code compiliation and patching. If gentoo only used the stock firefox source with no custom patches on our end (which for some arches is impossible from what I understand) then we could call it firefox. Unfortunetly the way trademark works you only have to no not enforce it once to get it taken away. If Mozilla knowingly ignored gentoo patching the source code and still letting us use the trademarked name, then someone else could "patch" the code base and distribute a version of firefox with malware/spyware preinstalled and mozilla wouldn't be able to tell them they couldn't call it firefox. Personally I think its a valid comprimise as both sides are happy. I mean do you really really really need the firefox name in the About menu option?

You should do a google search, gentoo thread search for the Debian/iceweasel stuff if you want to see how things could go really really bad.
Isn't the mozilla-firefox-bin package not called bon-echo because its a mozilla released binary?

yabbadabbadont · Veteran Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Posts: 4739

I might be wrong, but I believe that "Bon Echo" is just the codename for the 2.0 release candidate...
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golding · Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:38 pm Post subject:

slycordinator · Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:58 pm Post subject:

slycordinator · Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:00 pm Post subject:

slycordinator · Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:01 pm Post subject:

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/bonecho/all-rc.html

NaiL · Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 6:13 am Post subject:

If it is the problem with the trademark... i must say "bon echo" is ugly. i want to customice my firefox name!!! xD

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NaiL · Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:46 pm Post subject:

slycordinator · Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:55 pm Post subject:

This isn't an issue with the trademark.

When 1.5 was still in beta, it was called "Deer Park." And this was before the trademark.

As was mentioned, it's a codename. No different than MS calling it Whistler rather than "Microsoft Windows" and then later having it changed to XP.

yngwin · Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:59 pm Post subject:

devsk · Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:07 pm Post subject:

there is no branding stuff involved here. just plain code name:

yngwin · Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:47 pm Post subject:

The branding useflag does help, because my firefox-2.0-rc3 calls itself Firefox, not Bon Echo.
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tehdarkknight · Posted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 3:48 pm Post subject:

*edit*

Its kind of a mix of both sides. It's code name is Bon Echo, yet at the same time, you can't patch it and call it Firefox.
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