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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:07 am    Post subject: Re: bluetooth Reply with quote

Hi,

[quote="ASIO_BOB"]
I have a Dell inspiron 6400, ACPI works great. Everythying works, video (intel though), wireless (ipw3945), bluetooth, card reader etc... highly recommended.[/quote]
Can you tell me please, how could you make the bluetooth work? I searched the net but there was no usable description. Or is it trivial?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a macbook pro core duo (not core 2) and it works very well. I use debian on it because a few things were just easier to get working in my experience. However:

Suspend to disk works mostly. Suspend to Ram is notoriously hard to get working. The 2.6.17 kernel seems to do well here but as far as I know there doesn't seem to be a repeatable, reliable way in which people have been able to get s2ram working. I certainly can't.
Battery life isn't *that* great compared to with OS X. You can still get over two hours if you use powersaving options though.
Mbpeventd (or pommed), a daemon that handles backlight adjustment, keyboard light, etc is only available in a really usable form for debian. Some people have been trying to compile it on gentoo without much success as far as I know. Of course this doesn't matter if you're not getting the pro version.
Ati x1600 graphics in the pro are not great with linux. All the important stuff works, but they won't do aiglx etc. Again, the integrated graphics on the non-pro fares better here.

Despite these few things, I love mine and am happy to use linux on it all the time because:
OS X is a great second OS to have
Wireless, fancy backlights, eject keys, remote control, power scaling, graphics card power adjustment (without xgl), sound all work. Bluetooth works too I think but I don't use it. I'm trying to think of other stuff that works, but basically everything works so well that I can't think of anything that stands out. Since I use mine at university as basically a desktop replacement, the lack of suspend to ram and lower battery life doesn't affect me.

It's very, very fast.

So, although the mb and mbp are both great linux machines, they are not perfect. Having said that, just about everything I can think of does work, enough that I have no qualms about using linux on my mbp all the time. As I said in another thread, the fact that they are such specialised pieces of hardware (ie you know exactly what's in one) makes it easier for the community to come up with guides and instructions for running linux on them. I've no doubt this will continue.

But, if you want just great functionality then it's hard to recommend the macbooks over a thinkpad. To be honest, if I had known that thinkpads worked so well, and if I had known that I wouldn't fall in love with and constantly use OS X, I would probably have got a thinkpad. Or maybe I wouldn't... :wink:


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sachankara wrote:
Many HP (HP/Compaq) NX/NC laptops have been Linux certified by Novell and Redhat (the hardware just works). I'd recommend them beside recommending the Lenovo Thinkpads.


I own a HP nx6325 which is a very nice laptop except for the dangerous ACPI implementation. I need to run this laptop with ACPI off most of the time, as it has serious thermal issues. This laptop claims to have Linux certification, but booting up any normal distribution could result in the early death of the laptop given that ACPI is on by default.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

styrmis wrote:
Sachankara wrote:
Many HP (HP/Compaq) NX/NC laptops have been Linux certified by Novell and Redhat (the hardware just works). I'd recommend them beside recommending the Lenovo Thinkpads.


I own a HP nx6325 which is a very nice laptop except for the dangerous ACPI implementation. I need to run this laptop with ACPI off most of the time, as it has serious thermal issues. This laptop claims to have Linux certification, but booting up any normal distribution could result in the early death of the laptop given that ACPI is on by default.
Yes, the heat pipe is a bit "underdeveloped", but I personally don't have any problems with ACPI/heat. It throttles when needed. The only annoying thing is the fact that it's very sensitive to load - just scrolling a web page will get the fan spinning when running on batteries.

Maybe your model with an AMD processor is worse than mine with an Intel processor? The AMD processors do heat up a lot faster.

The fact that HP NX6xxx is almost fully serviceable by the user is a very good thing if you want to upgrade your laptop in the future. Memory, hard disk and mini-PCI can be replaced from the bottom of the computer, the rest (primary memory, cpu, etc) can be changed by removing the keyboard. Very "neat" laptop design.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:25 pm    Post subject: What kind of laptop do gentoo users love? Reply with quote

My Thinkpad with gentoo has finally reached the end of the line. Before I replace it, though, I'm curious about other's experience buying a new laptop to run gentoo. My main restriction is that it be fairly small, and easy for travel...

Anyone have a gentoo laptop that they love, and would like to mention?? :)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love my new Dell laptop, but make sure your network (wifi) card has a driver and is supported (i'm not sure but the new Draft-N might not be).


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd say stick with the Thinkpads.

My T43p is fully supported, and I believe the newer ones are as well.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been through Two Dell latitudes now, and as long as you choose one with Intel wifi you should be ok.
This may sound strange, but I would also recommend the Intel graphics as well, you can get native resolution framebuffer console and suspend to ram working as well.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both me and my roommate have gotten everything working on our thinkpads. mine is a z60m ($900), and his is a t43. if you want a small laptop, you can get an x series.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThinkPad is very well supported. On my T60, I've got everything working except the fingerprint reader.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

john_r_graham wrote:
ThinkPad is very well supported. On my T60, I've got everything working except the fingerprint reader.

- John


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really love my HP NC4010, 12" screen (the rest is in my sig). With cpupw installed i get 3 hours battery time on the original battery.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jpmayer87 wrote:
Thinkfinger. it's in portage.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mjrosenb wrote:
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you can get an x series.

That product looks very good, from the standpoint of size...

...but it appears to require a docking station to access an optical drive. Is that correct?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My HP dv9283ea is enough portable :?, I installed gentoo AMD64 (with a lot of ~amd64 packages) and I'm very happy of the results.
Unfortunately the integrated webcam, Ricoh 1.3MP (05ca:1810) is not still working but, i'm sure, it'll work !
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...but it appears to require a docking station to access an optical drive. Is that correct?

True, but I would go for an external optical drive. (I don't really need the optical drive in my notebook, and if I do, the it is for some serious system manipulation which requires a liveCD)

I am currently running an Acer TM8000. I got a lot of thing running, but a few are still missing (multi card reader, irda). For a new notebook look at IBM/Lenovo or at HP. Both seem to have their series linux certified.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://mcelrath.org/laptops.html
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Gateway laptop works well with Gentoo - EXCEPT the integrated Intel video chipset. I have framebuffer working, but I still have not figured out how to get an X resolution over 800x600. So my advice is to avoid any laptop with an Intel 855GM integrated chipset.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am running Gentoo on a ThinkPad T60 with a Core 2 Duo and an Intel graphics chipset (945GM).
I haven't got all of its gimmicks going yet (namely HDAPS and the fingerprint reader, as the packages are still masked). But all the basic things work really well and almost out-of-the-box: Ethernet, WLAN, CPU frequency scaling, sound, graphics acceleration, UltraNav, ... :-)
There are a few things I had to keep in mind when installing Gentoo, but I guess that is true for about any computer.

In my opinion, the greatest advantage of a ThinkPad - apart from its superior hardware quality - is its popularity among "professional" users, which means finding help should be very easy (first starting point: http://thinkwiki.org).
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My T60 has an AR5418 wifi which I haven't been able to use yet, though I read that the latest madwifi should work.
But it doesn't have an S-VIDEO on the laptop itself which is a disappointment for me. Alos, DVI is only available on the advanced docking station which costs $350.
The build quality also feels poorer than T43.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Built for Linux:

http://system76.com/
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use Gentoo on my ThinkPad T43 ,
and it is supported very well :lol:

But I don't use the modern on it
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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...but it appears to require a docking station to access an optical drive. Is that correct?

True, but I would go for an external optical drive.


I've just bought a ThinkPad x60s, and done exactly this. The laptop is beautifully neat (and small), and the external optical drive works well and is bootable.

Even though I've had it less than a week, I've already noticed how GOOD the ThinkPad keyboard is. I agree with all of the reviews I found that claimed ThinkPads have the best keyboards of any laptop.

ThinkPads have 3 buttons - which is perfect for GNU/Linux - while most other brands have only two (or even one!). My battery life seems exceptional (using laptop-mode). I agree with Airhardt that resources such as thinkwiki.org can make a difference - I used this wiki as part of my research before even buying my ThinkPad.

I would certainly recommend a ThinkPad laptop.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I love my Panasonic Toughbook W5. Three lbs and 8+ hrs of battery life with a dvdrw and wifi are perfect for my needs for now.

I hear good things about the T60 too, of course.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a T23 and now I own a T60. Very well built, very good linux support. You can't go wrong with them.
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