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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Nazi / German 3rd Reich symbols on Gentoo Forums Reply with quote

Knieper wrote:

Again:
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Pioneering researcher Robert Conquest[13], meanwhile, has revised his original estimate of up to 30 million victims down to 20 million. Others, however, continue to maintain that their earlier much higher estimates are correct.



Again. I really don't care about any researchers who is very political engaged.
Whether he comes from my country or any other country in the world.

I hope that you have no problem with logic at all.
So I'll give an example.
The russian population in that time was about 80-90 millions.
Could you please imaging the situation where 30 millions of russians was killed by
Stalin an mostly nobody care about it...

30 millions means 1 of 3 persons was killed !!!!

The repressions was started in 1937. So Stalin had 3-4 years about to kill
so much persons in the same time where Industrialization need a lot of people
to build Powerstations, Factories an so on.
So he had to have kill 10 millions a year without any war and so that nobody noted this...

Now please be honest. Could you just imaging all these things????

In the same time. 4 year of II World War was killed about 25-26 millions.
And trust me again. We all remember this very well.
Mostly every family has killed or wounded relatives.
We all now about the stories where our ancestors tried to survive.
This history was not passed besides us.

And now explain me please, how it could be possible that we have
no idea what is happend with all these people killed by Stalin???

I repeat you once again. The propaganda is still alive.
Mostly everywhere. In your country too.

Some years ago I visited a KZ in Germany.
The guide told us the story how much jews was killed in Nazi time.
She gave us really bad-bad stories as examples.
After that she gave us the time to look around, look at the posters
with photos of some of these people.
And what I saw there? Russian names and russian faces.

Just what I want to say here is. If German government wants to bring
people how bad is to kill jews, they get it works. Whatever they say truth or lie.

If people in some countries want to say that Stalin was bad they will
show you any data whatever it is truth or not.

If Americans (US) want to kill Saddam (or better to say take oil sources under control),
they explain you what kind of weapons he had, whatever it is truth or not.

Do I need to continue..?

Or you can start think further yourself?

Knieper wrote:

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And I hate such things, "what would happen if..." Stalin attacked Europe first...
What would happen if you will start to kill people on the street?


That was not my intention. If someone plans to attack Western Europe and anotherone plans to

How you would prove that for me?
If I said you will kill people on the streets, that is truth.
And you have to show me that is wrong thought.

Do you understand? That is the same if you try to explain me what was happend
if Stalin had to attack Western Europe...

Knieper wrote:

attack East Europe. The second one starts the war. Why is number one better?


Your problem is to distinguish the plans you have NO idea about and that
what was really happend.
Think about it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And once again to the author.

I hate Nazis. But I will provide them to say what they want,
give them a chance to show what they want and who they are.

And every of us have to think is it good or bad.

I'd like to see the face of any person I'm talking to.
Nobody has rights to hide it from me.

To hide the dark sides of life is the worst solution of any problem.

By tabooing the things you make it more attractive!
Read Bible if it still not obviously.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lefsha wrote:

That is not far from the truth. Please, trust me.
All nations have special mentality and there is nothing bad with it.


If you say that the Germans will die without all the rules then you certainly make it sound like it is something bad.

lefsha wrote:

Ganz einfach mein Freund. Ich wohne hier seit mehr als 7 jahre.
Ich hoffe, dass es soll genug für Dich sein, um mir zu glauben.

Are you satisfied with my answer? :lol:
So excuse me. But that is not stereotyp. That is every day life.

So you may take back your words how far from the truth it is. :wink:


I already thought that you live here, just wanted to be sure.
So please enlighten me, where Germany does regulate things more than other countries do. I've travelled quite a bit and must say that I never had the feeling that I'm coming back to a country where everything is stricter than in other countries.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without reading some odd number of pages with different musings, I'll simply state my two arguments:

*Content that is forbidden in a nation på proper law, that might get people in legal trouble in that nation in affiliation somehow with the content (if only linking to the website or being an user on the website), that doesn't really play any feature role in Gentoo (or GNU/Linux elsewhere as it where - I've never seen the "Swastika GNU/Linux Distro - We Take All Freedoms From You Against Your Will And Against The License + Law") - there really isn't any need to allow it on the servers, thus disallow it. If forums.gentoo.org was a forum about political/historical/ideological topics, the case would completely different. But copyleft doesn't really need the swastika you see. As it also doesn't need warez, child pornography or support for the MS Windows platform. Leave these topics for their respective arenaes - that is, not here.

*I was going to say something smart here, but I'll take the liberty of requoting curtis instead as I can't remember what I was going to say:
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ps. If we were to start banning symbols I would INSIST that all religious iconography of any sort to be banned as well. Since religions are also responsible for millions of deaths around the world. FAR FAR FAR FAR more deaths than the nazis could have ever dreamed about. And the worst part is that Religions are STILL killing people in the name $DIETY to this very day. Hitler died 50+ years ago.....


Thus it goes - my +1 vote to purge swastikas and crosses from the forums. 8)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, we do need support for MS Windows. At least, as much as necessary to make Gentoo interoperate with it. Plus, we allow Windows only questions in OTW. In fact, many windows people say they come here for help because windows only forums are t3h suck. Gentoo Forums++ 8)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lefsha
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Completely agreed, propaganda is still alive. The jews remind us every day of halacaust, of course it happened noone denies, but why do WE have to be reminded? The jews lost so much? Lets take statistics by wikipedia. In our country (Soviet union) 22,200,000 non-Holocaust deaths and in total there are 5,754,000 Holocaust deaths. Do I need to say anymore? And you don't hear us reminding the world every day of all the deaths and making up 10s of memorial events a year. We only got one - 9th of may - the day the war ended and not the 8th when our "allies" were signing treaties while we were still fighting in Berlin.
About Stalin: yes, he did use rough methods, that were partly unnecessary, but he mostly got our country out of a post-revolutional depression.
I hate nazis as well, those that raise their right hand and say "Heil Hitler!", how dare are you to do that, whne your grad-dads fought the Nazis. But it's there problem. I fully support those though who fight to limit migration. I do not want my country to turned into a country like UK, where I lived for 2 years where you go out on the strett and you are not sure where you are UK, Zimbabwe or Pakistan.

This was really off topic, but since this argument started

As for the topic, I don't see the big concern, let people use what they want as long as you are not using it...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a little shocked there is even a discussion on the issue: Nazi symbols are clearly hate symbols so I would happily vote for banning them.

(Maybe I am an old fart, but personnally I Adblock all Avatars on all Forums: waste of bandwidth and time.)

(FWIW I am English but resident in Germany.)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nazi Symbols are destructive and that's why they (and the users as well) should be banned from the forum.

Mao (I just say the name of some leaders, I know there has been some other helpers) killed a lot of people, Stalin killed a lot of people, Hitler and the British Governmant in all their colonies as well (India - Gandhi).
But only the jews remind the world and germany nearly every day that there was a Holocaust. That's not fair, we (I'm german as well) are a different generation and we learned our lesson. How long does they wanna (and must we) go on with this?

If people couldn't forgive and/or forget, it would be a very sad world.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tenobok wrote:


I already thought that you live here, just wanted to be sure.
So please enlighten me, where Germany does regulate things more than other countries do. I've travelled quite a bit and must say that I never had the feeling that I'm coming back to a country where everything is stricter than in other countries.


Not to hijack. But Eugenic laws. Germany is not allowed and does not allow itself to mess with this subject at all. This is all due to WW2
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tenobok wrote:
So please enlighten me, where Germany does regulate things more than other countries do.


I am English, but have lived in Germany for 10 years:

- You have to register with the city where you live.
- Getting a number plate for your car: regulations and queueing in Germany, in the UK you just buy one from an auto-shop.
- If you move to a new area you have to get new car plates.
- Germany has strict inheritance laws.
- Stricter food labelling and beer laws (=good :-)
- Stricter laws on peoples names (and IIRC it was only recently that a divorced woman could re-take her maiden name.)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 12:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Nazi / German 3rd Reich symbols on Gentoo Forums Reply with quote

lefsha wrote:
I hope that you have no problem with logic at all.

Thanks, I studied many logics esp. higer order and modal logics.

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The russian population in that time was about 80-90 millions.
Could you please imaging the situation where 30 millions of russians was killed by
Stalin an mostly nobody care about it...

30 million in ~25 years and a "slightly" different population. Not much for a huge country and many non-russian victims.

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The repressions was started in 1937

Really?!

1932/1933 the holodomor in Ukraina with 5 million victims (p.ex. in Kazakhstan 1.5-2 million)

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How you would prove that for me?

Read actual scientific literature, it's proven. (Most sources came from russian archives.)

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We all remember this very well.
Mostly every family has killed or wounded relatives.
We all now about the stories where our ancestors tried to survive.
This history was not passed besides us.

And now explain me please, how it could be possible that we have
no idea what is happend with all these people killed by Stalin???

Same is true for germans and the KLs and Einsatzgruppen - but it's a fact. By the way, many russians, belorussians, poles, germans and ukrainians remember. (I know, many russian veterans remember propaganda and forget their massacres or are proud of it.)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My personal opinion to Nazi is they suck. They did not got it by now that what they believe is rubish.

Germans tend to censor because they are ashamed and there is nothing of their history left that they want to be proud of.
IMO Censoring Nazi time is the same then switching Avatars off.

Gentoo Forums do have a bridgebuilding effect. So lets use the damn bridge and get some nonesense out of the world.
The german rassim does only work because the people who are Nazis got excluded from society and work. You find strong movements in areas with high unemployment rates because people lack the contacts to others.

So give a Nazi a hand and help him a bit around. He will see with time that he believes the wrong things. Because truce points to itself all the time. And with time he finds out that the black, Asian or disabeled people are not as bad as he was told they are, he may start to think that he does not like Rassism after all.

Love is as strong as hate.
I think Star Wars Episode 4 to 6 has pointed out very nicely.
Did anyone of you notice that the Imperial fleet wears german Uniforms from WW2? :lol:

So please if you are a typical hate object of a Rassim try to get him know better maybe you will find out the "Nazi" isnt evil after all just mislead. :twisted:
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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- You have to register with the city where you live.
- Getting a number plate for your car: regulations and queueing in Germany, in the UK you just buy one from an auto-shop.
- If you move to a new area you have to get new car plates.
- Germany has strict inheritance laws.
- Stricter food labelling and beer laws (=good :-)
- Stricter laws on peoples names (and IIRC it was only recently that a divorced woman could re-take her maiden


You forgot german tax system and the german normin called DIN.

If you ever have doubt howto do something proper you can look into the DIN. They even describe there howto write and fold a letter. :lol:
That you wont find in other countries.

But you need to know that most of this regulations saves us thinking work. I love the regulation you have mentioned. They ease a lot.

hehe.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a little aside, DIN is international.

But I'm the first to agree that we do - well, maybe not *have* more rules than other nations, but we definitely *enforce* a lot more rules than others do. Other countries have laws regarding opening times for shops, too, for instance, but are they enforced as fully as they are here?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 3:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Umm no thats wrong.

The international Standard is called ISO (International Organization for Standardization)
And the German one is DIN (Deutsches Institut für Normung e. V.)
They are equal in most cases due Globalization I guess but there are some differences here and there.
My Dad loves to tell that the ISO is taken from the DIN norm since other countries did not care that much about standards in the past. (That has changed I guess ;) ) But that I dont know and I dont care.



Yea german enforcing of Rules is quite effective. In all areas.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SimonKellett wrote:

I am English, but have lived in Germany for 10 years:

- You have to register with the city where you live.


Afaik Germany isn't the only country which has that kind of law.

SimonKellett wrote:

- Getting a number plate for your car: regulations and queueing in Germany, in the UK you just buy one from an auto-shop.
- If you move to a new area you have to get new car plates.


Okay, I have to agree here - When it comes to cars then Germany has probably the strictest regulations. (Except for no general speed limits on the autobahn). But after a stay in the US I really have to admit that it's better to have strict laws for cars. I've seen buckets there, more dents than paint.

SimonKellett wrote:

- Germany has strict inheritance laws.


Part of the German tax laws. (90% of all tax literature world wide is in German - that probably says it all)
Everyone knows that we have to get rid of it, because it's just way to complex and offers too many loop holes. But they are simply afraid of removing it, because many people (tax accountants) would become unemployed.

SimonKellett wrote:

- Stricter food labelling and beer laws (=good :-)


The German purity law for beer is the oldest food regulation in the world and we are very, very proud of it, as we do have the best beer.

SimonKellett wrote:

- Stricter laws on peoples names (and IIRC it was only recently that a divorced woman could re-take her maiden name.)


Never thought about that one. But I don't feel like this is really limiting people. The only requirement is that the first name has to be accordingly to the sex of the child. And as you already said the surename law was already altered, so we slowly get rid of stupid laws. ;)



But back to the topic:

Am I the only one that has the feeling that the discussion is leading nowhere?
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I'm not sure if you've ever attended a Catholic Mass. I like to study various religions, and despite not being Catholic, I've attended mass. One thing I found interesting was the Apostolic Creed. During the service, you effectively swear allegience to the Holy Roman Church. The Church itself is the symbol. The Pope is the symbol. The term Catholic Church is the focus. In all these things, Christ and the message of the Bible is downplayed. The Church didn't allow anyone to read the Bible. Hell, they gave mass in Latin for ages, while forbidding the public from being educated in Latin. People didn't even know what was being said in a given service. The cross represents Protestants moreso than Catholics, again because the Catholic Church prefers the crucifix. And even so, the focus always shifts back to the Church itself and the Pope.


Nonsense. You don't 'swear allegiance' to the church - you say you 'believe' in the church. Check it out here: http://www.creeds.net/ancient/apostles.htm The creed begins by declaring a belief in the Trinity. What's wrong with being honest? What's the point in belonging to any religion if you are too afraid to say it? Also, when exactly did the church ban its members from reading the bible? When did the church 'forbid' people from learning latin? You may have attended mass but you know nothing about the Catholic Church my friend. This is OT I know but lies should be tolerated nowhere - if they are tolerated ignorant people will believe them.

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In Christianity, the ideal is that Christ is the mediator between man and God. In Catholicism, the Church is the mediator between man and God. The Church even replaced the cross with rosary beads to an extent.


That stuff about rosary beads is typical anti-Catholic FUD. I'm not the world's greatest Catholic but that is just misinformation. You imply here that Catholicism is not Christianity. I'm sure that would be greeted with shock by the likes of Thomas Aquinas and Francis of Assisi. Of course in Catholicism the Church is seen as having a special role to play. But this wasn't taken out of the air, it was based both on history and interpretation of scripture, just as born again christians base their own belief on an interpretation of the bible. BTW in every flavour of Christianity I know of, Christ _is_ God, as part of a trinity (there were many heresies in the early church that had different interpretations, but I don't think any Christian congregation of any size disputes the trinity today)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nazism is just an (extreme) political agenda. As horrible and despisable I can find it, it's just an (extreme) political agenda. Like anarchism, communism, liberalism etc. You can agree with it, or not. I surely don't want neo-Nazis to come back to the government, but they have all the right to talk and express their ideas as anyone else. That's freedom of speech, simple.

Freedom of speech doesn't exist to protect nice, cute, unharmful speech. Do we need freedom of speech to say "I love ponies"? It exists to protect the right to say things that can harm, can disturb, can be provoking. That's why we need freedom of speech.

And no, I don't give a f**k if in Germany the government has decided to shut up pro-Nazi speech by law. I find it horrible, and I think it's violation of freedom of speech, plain and simple.

And yes, I lost a relative in WWII in a German concentration camp. Yet I want people to be able to use swastikas and the like as an avatar, because it's their right, if they want to.

The ironic thing is that you want to remove freedom of speech because you believe in democratic governments. Lol.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Nazi / German 3rd Reich symbols on Gentoo Forums Reply with quote

I vote to keep them.

They help speed up reading the forums because you know immediately that the poster is an idiot and their post can safely be skipped.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SimonKellett wrote:

- Stricter laws on peoples names (and IIRC it was only recently that a divorced woman could re-take her maiden name.)

Tenobok wrote:

...But I don't feel like this is really limiting people.

I guess if you are a woman, and have just divorced a shit-bag husband you probably are very happy to be able to ditch his name !

Tenobok wrote:

The only requirement is that the first name has to be accordingly to the sex of the child.

AFAIK the surname has to be either the same as the mother or the double of father/mother i.e. NOT the father's if it is different from the mothers. And siblings have to have the same surname.
(As an English man, with a German girlfriend (ie not married) with one child born in England and one in Germany you learn all about the "edge cases" of German law !!)

Tenobok wrote:
Am I the only one that has the feeling that the discussion is leading nowhere?

No.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brullonulla wrote:
The ironic thing is that you want to remove freedom of speech because you believe in democratic governments. Lol.

There's no contradiction in this statement: in a democracy, people are in power. They make the rules. And if the majority votes for laws restricting freedom, it's not at all against democracy.
Face it - restricting freedom is done in all democratic states, and does already happen in these forums as well. And it has to happen, because, as has been pointed out before, freedom without any (sensible) restrictions leads to anarchy and oppression of some. Rules are needed to maintain equality of all persons.

I see the users of these forums as a community with the forum guidelines being their "constitution". The aim of the forum guidelines should be to maintain functionality of the forums, by restricting certain topics to certain subforums. Most forums deal with topics around Gentoo linux - political posts are restricted to OTW.
If there was a political post in e.g. "Portage & Programming", it would be moved to OTW, and no-one would disagree.
I think avatars, signatures and personal information that is displayed with every post should be treated just like a post itself - but as it can't be restricted to a certain forum, users should choose what they put as their avatars, signature and personal information extremly carefully, and, if they fail to do so, be forced to choose something suitable for all forums.
As I said before, these are technical forums (except OTW), and politics are clearly off topic. So "common sense" should tell everyone to stay away from political statements, be it in posts, sigs or avatars - especially if these statements might be offensive to others. And if "common sense" fails for an individual, the "common sense" of the community should be enforced.

When I frist saw nazi symbols in these forums, I asked the user in a PM to rethink his avatar choice. The result was an at first sensible discussion in which the user claimed not to be a nazi, but ended in me being called a hypocrite and a "kike". Obviously, the "educational" approach as suggested by some doesn't always work, and thus some rules in the forum guidelines might be needed.

So, if there are enough users asking to restrict nazi symbols in sigs and avatars, do it - and if not, don't. It's a democratic decision, freedom of speech migth be restricted, but, as has been pointed out before, will not at all be in danger of being abolished by such a restriction.

I vote for restricting nazi symbols. And, to all of you who shout out "But swastikas are an old asian symbol abused by the Hitler regime" - reread the topic: this is about banning Nazi / German 3rd Reich symbols - not swastikas. I don't want to ban all swastikas, I just vote for banning swastikas which are clearly recognizable as being nazi / 3rd Reich related.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brullonulla wrote:
The ironic thing is that you want to remove freedom of speech because you believe in democratic governments. Lol.


Yep. Nazi's got in by democratic process. The germans feel guilty about that, but that's not the rest of the worlds problem. Heck, it's not even many of the germans who are alive todays problem either.

So as a result, lets restrict the democratic process. I think that happened before, about 1937 IIRC ? Adolph would be proud...
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drwook wrote:
So as a result, lets restrict the democratic process.


You do realize these are the Gentoo Forums, not the United Nations? Don't you think there's tiny wee little bit of a difference?

I'm not asking to restrict any democratic process. I'm asking to get a ban on Nazi symbols in a privately-owned forum.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Philantrop wrote:
drwook wrote:
So as a result, lets restrict the democratic process.


You do realize these are the Gentoo Forums, not the United Nations? Don't you think there's tiny wee little bit of a difference?

I'm not asking to restrict any democratic process. I'm asking to get a ban on Nazi symbols in a privately-owned forum.


As a member of the team who runs that privately owned forum I am telling you point blank: No.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

curtis119 wrote:
As a member of the team who runs that privately owned forum I am telling you point blank: No.


Ok, so let me ask you, a member of that team, a question about this passage written by codergeek:

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thus our general rule of thumb as a team is (as Curtis so nicely worded to me ): "Will it get someone in trouble at work if their boss were to see it?" If so, then the avatar is Not Good(tm) and we will politely ask that the person change it. We will override them and remove it ourselves if they say no andwe all agree it should go.


At least one person apart from myself might get fired if his boss were to see Nazi symbols on his screen. I definitely would get fired. Is the above passage correct or is it not?
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