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Jupiter1TX
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| EAD wrote: | Look, I agree with you, but it is LINUX and it is Gentoo, the all point here is trying improve and doing things that guids don't give you.
I followed the guide, but I think there is something I can do better, beside doint emerge -e system shouldnt be that hard, isnt? Why can't it run for (few hours or days) and just say every thing went ok? |
I guess we see things differantly. If i thought i could do it better than these heavely tested guides,
then i would right my own. If I thought i had an idea to improve the guide, then i would make a suggestion
to these builders, who obviously no more than i, and get their opinion as to why this is a good idea or not,
before i tried it and failed.
EXAMPLE:
mommy i know i am supposed to put my underware on one leg at a time, but i thought i could do it better
by jumping up and putting both legs in at the same time, but i keep falling flat on my face when i try.
how can i do this without falling on my face? one leg at a time!!!!
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EAD
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Jupiter1TX wrote: | | EAD wrote: | Look, I agree with you, but it is LINUX and it is Gentoo, the all point here is trying improve and doing things that guids don't give you.
I followed the guide, but I think there is something I can do better, beside doint emerge -e system shouldnt be that hard, isnt? Why can't it run for (few hours or days) and just say every thing went ok? |
I guess we see things differantly. If i thought i could do it better than these heavely tested guides,
then i would right my own. If I thought i had an idea to improve the guide, then i would make a suggestion
to these builders, who obviously no more than i, and get their opinion as to why this is a good idea or not,
before i tried it and failed.
EXAMPLE:
mommy i know i am supposed to put my underware on one leg at a time, but i thought i could do it better
by jumping up and putting both legs in at the same time, but i keep falling flat on my face when i try.
how can i do this without falling on my face? one leg at a time!!!! |
I totally agree with you!
But, in early years of gentoo it was regular to install from stage 1 and so on, So I thought that I could do emerge -e system.
you know what?
even now, when you are using Conrad, try to do it, I bet it will fail. so there is a BUG, not in the install guide but in perl ebuild or in Gentoo or in Conrad, any way, maybe some one can figure out how to pass this thing?
doing thing like "emerge -e system" shouldnt make any problems, like doint emerge -e world shouldnt. |
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eqlb
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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ead:
its not that you cant do it, its just pointless. Why spend all that time for something that wont yeild any benifits |
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EAD
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| eqlb wrote: | ead:
its not that you cant do it, its just pointless. Why spend all that time for something that wont yeild any benifits |
Why do you think it's pointless? EVO for example has STAGE3 optimized for each CPU, so why can't I by doing emerge -e system make my own one? It seem nice, and few people here in the forum done this for Gentoo.
let's say, maybe it isn't recomended, but still if someone want to do it, it's an option that should be avlbile. |
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eqlb
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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in one sense you have already done rebuilding the system for your computer, once you built the toolkit. all you would be doing with emerging the system is rebuilding the toolkit and then once you get into building the world you going to build once again the toolkit.
Its like if you drove from your house and you have to travel 16 blocks but then decided to drive 21 blocks then circle back to the 16 blocks you were going to do its just wasted time.
With evo mission, they did a similair thing as conrads guide they built the system for you and all you have to do is build the tool chain once more and the world. its virtual the same thing as the stage 3 tarball. but with a quick build of the system with the cpu flags of choice. Conrad and the evo mission where once done hand and hand but the had there differnces. SO either one is is just like the other but with a few differnces |
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EAD
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I see, so when I am doing like in the guide "emerge binutils gcc..." and then doing it again and all this, is it like building the toolchain from allmost zero?
so, I won't get any much better then what the guide say? and doing the emerge -e system is usless? or it has others meaning? |
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eqlb
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Yeah you are building the tool chain from the orginal unoptimized version. Way back before 2005.4 there was a stage one install where you had to build from scratch but alot of people found out that there where a few missing programs in the stage one that where in the stage three. so people found that by building the tool chain twice is pretty much the same thing as a stage one install.
With the emerge -e system, its like buidling the tool chan but with alot more programs to build and then when you go into building the world you just reemerging those programs from the system. With the tool chain option conrad and others give out is a shorter version of the emerge -e system.
You can go better then the guide by using differnt cflags and ldflags but once you do that your on your own. |
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EAD
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| eqlb wrote: | Yeah you are building the tool chain from the orginal unoptimized version. Way back before 2005.4 there was a stage one install where you had to build from scratch but alot of people found out that there where a few missing programs in the stage one that where in the stage three. so people found that by building the tool chain twice is pretty much the same thing as a stage one install.
With the emerge -e system, its like buidling the tool chan but with alot more programs to build and then when you go into building the world you just reemerging those programs from the system. With the tool chain option conrad and others give out is a shorter version of the emerge -e system.
You can go better then the guide by using differnt cflags and ldflags but once you do that your on your own. |
No, changing the Cflags is no problem, but I think they are at the best way, I can't do better here. and about the LDflags, I still need to read on this.
I know what you are saying about stage 1 and so on, but if someone want to build from stage 3 and then use the emerge -e system, why can't he? what is the problem with perl that causing erorr with emerge? |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| EAD wrote: | | eqlb wrote: | Yeah you are building the tool chain from the orginal unoptimized version. Way back before 2005.4 there was a stage one install where you had to build from scratch but alot of people found out that there where a few missing programs in the stage one that where in the stage three. so people found that by building the tool chain twice is pretty much the same thing as a stage one install.
With the emerge -e system, its like buidling the tool chan but with alot more programs to build and then when you go into building the world you just reemerging those programs from the system. With the tool chain option conrad and others give out is a shorter version of the emerge -e system.
You can go better then the guide by using differnt cflags and ldflags but once you do that your on your own. |
No, changing the Cflags is no problem, but I think they are at the best way, I can't do better here. and about the LDflags, I still need to read on this.
I know what you are saying about stage 1 and so on, but if someone want to build from stage 3 and then use the emerge -e system, why can't he? what is the problem with perl that causing erorr with emerge? |
EAD, you seem to be purposely blowing up your post count, and taking over this thread and several others. You aren't helping anything by talking about non-guide related things in a guide's thread. I think you should please fire up irssi or xchat, or whatever you may have, join irc.freenode.net, and then join #conrad and/or #evo-mission.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:01 pm Post subject: Problem with Conrad 3.0.0 install,please help |
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Hi, this is what I get when doing everything according to the 3.0.0 Guide.
I come to the point I need to do "emerge -e world" and then in perl 5.8.8-r2 I get this
"make: *** no rule to make target '<comman-line>', needed by 'miniperlmain.o' . Stop"
and the stack call is:
" ebuild.sh line 1545 : called dyn_compile
ebuild.sh line 940 : called src_compile
perl-5.8.8-r2.ebuild line 267 called die.
What can I do? please help me fix this bug or something. |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Follow the *official Gentoo* installation manual and if you then have a problem, ask for help. |
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EAD
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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I did follow, I have here both x86 guide, and the Conrad 3.0.0 guide.
I got to the point in the guide I should do emerge -e world , and then I have this erorr.
I know it is damm strength!! |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| The official guide doesn't include "emerge -e world" since the only offically supported installation method involves a stage3 tarball. (and that step has already been done in a stage3 tarball) |
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eremini
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| confirmed, same error here |
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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From the "Conrad Installation Guide" thread:
| Quote: | | Join IRC #conrad and #no-sources on freenode! It's the quickest way to get help, We have great people and we can always use some more. General chat is allowed! |
Perhaps you will get quicker/better help there? |
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EAD
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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Here! walla, they are other users with the same problem too!
It doesn't concern the x86 guide, because it is in the Conrad 3.0.0 guide!!
Now, Is there someone of the devlopers of Conrad or someone else that now what can be done please? |
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Merged from here (except eremi's post) to this thread.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Well? What to do?
Is there a good solution to this problem? Can you also add it to the guide? |
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| dont emerge with gcc 4.2, kind not helping if u pruned ur old compiler, but yeah u can just skip it. |
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| vipernicus wrote: | | You'll just have to do 'emerge --resume --skipfirst'. Because, perl-5.8.8 won't build with GCC 4.2. |
I have read it and still,
the problem I have done a lot of nasty things to try to fix it up, and I thinks it is screwed now.
so How can I do "emerge perl" and not getting the erorr please?? |
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| EAD wrote: | | vipernicus wrote: | | You'll just have to do 'emerge --resume --skipfirst'. Because, perl-5.8.8 won't build with GCC 4.2. |
the problem I have done a lot of nasty things to try to fix it up, and I thinks it is screwed now.
so How can I do "emerge perl" and not getting the erorr please?? |
You can't. Right now, if you are using GCC-4.2, you will have that error. If you do 'emerge --resume --skipfirst', it should skip to the next package.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2006 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| vipernicus wrote: | | EAD wrote: | | vipernicus wrote: | | You'll just have to do 'emerge --resume --skipfirst'. Because, perl-5.8.8 won't build with GCC 4.2. |
the problem I have done a lot of nasty things to try to fix it up, and I thinks it is screwed now.
so How can I do "emerge perl" and not getting the erorr please?? |
You can't. Right now, if you are using GCC-4.2, you will have that error. If you do 'emerge --resume --skipfirst', it should skip to the next package. |
Haa,OK, so how can I fix it and emerge perl? what I won't have perl in my LINUx ?! |
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